How about Clemens leading us to 8 or 9 TDs in something like 80 possessions? Perhaps we had no red zone threat to throw to and couldn't run the ball in the red zone? How many TDs did we rush for, excluding Chad and Clemens themselves? How many did Thomas Jones rush for? If you can't run inside the 20 and you have no big threat to throw to, how good is any QB going to look?
The same way the Chad detractors were eating crow when we pointed out Chad threw 17 T/D and 16 Int in 2006 and our so called playoff team played in four games against teams over 500 and lost all but one and got blown out of the building by a 8-8 Jags Team. The same way we said we would be 6-10 last season because Chad was done! If Cp is under center at the start of the season we will be in the Tim Tebow Sweepstakes for the 2009 draft.
What the fuck are you talking about? I already said that both clemens and pennington looked like shit last year. All I'm trying to point out is that there was no qb competition last season. The job was given to Pennington before training camp started. That's a fact.
There usually isn't a QB competition in camp when you make the playoffs and your starter played all 16 games. Most coaches would rather have the position solidified if they had their choice.
I agree - I'm just pointing out a fact that the OP doesn't seem to know. He's talking like Clemens had the opportunity to win the job before the season last year when he didn't.
I agree, but the fact remains that the coaches felt better with Chad. I tend to believe that has more to do with Clemens than it does to do with their stupidity or a conspiracy.
Agreed, my hopes are up high for Clemens, but you must agree, he still has a long way to go before we dub him Broadway.
I too am hoping Clemens can take over, but I do not think he has not because the coaches are stupid and they conspired to used Chad or were forced to by Coles. I am not questioning Chad's deficiencies here, get a clue. What I'm saying is I believe there is a little more to Clemens not being ready the last 2 seasons as the reason he did not start more than I believe in conspiracy and the inadequacy of the coaches. If anything I believe they want Clemens to win the job over Chad, just like most of us do.
And why, because Clemens blows or because he was a victim of dumb coaching and conspiracy. Come on wake up, again I do not deny Chad's weaknesses, but I do not think Clemens was a victim here. It's amazing Chad did as good as he did, no? He is practically a girl, and you sit some where off the field and watch the game.
I know, but if Clemens looked so much better than Chad, you think they may have re thought things. Crazy of them to name Chad the starter after winning 10 games, a playoff berth and comeback player of the year, after we were picked to go 2-14. SHAME ON THEM!!!
So he conspired to go with Chad to limit the team and his chances at being a winner, to ensure nobody would else would benefit from a better QB right? Do you believe in Santy Claus???
i am rooting for the best player(qb) to take this team to the next level. i would love to see clemens come in to his own and take over and be a full time qb and win games. but that will not happen, he can't even beat out a guy whom cannot throw more than 10 yards and that worries me.
I never said that Chad is a girl. I said he looks like his right arm comes from one. You don't have to be stupid to make mistakes. I don't know what Mangini's IQ is, but he's made plenty of mistakes already. The Kendall last year was certainly a clear example of that. How'd that rookie dorm in camp thing work out? Bush league all the way. So, what I post is "crap" and "BS", but you have to explain I am not getting under your skin. Too funny. You should read your posts over at least once before you hit the submit reply button. I can't tell whether you think I am not allowed to question Mangini's decision making or that I am. You may want to ponder that one a bit before saying anything more about it. It is not a conspiracy theory that makes me question why you take it as fact that Mangini feels he has a vested interest in picking Clemens over Chad. His performance in the past has shown a preference of sticking with Chad even when Chad sucked. Clemens I agree with everyone here did not play great, but he was no worse than Chad, and in the measures that count was better. I also pointed out it was Tanny who was responsible for the draft pick. I have no idea how Mangini sees his responsibility to play Clemens in regard to where he was picked, but you sure seem to know. As others have pointed out, Chad did not "beat out" Clemens last year. There WAS NO COMPETITION last year. What I saw of Clemens in the pre-season made me think he was better, but Mangini had already committed to starting Chad. Do you deny that is true? You give Mangini credit for the SB wins NE achieved while he was a flunky on the CS there? Wow. As far as how and what I post compares to others here, you are projecting. You are the only one looking bad, for two reasons. One is the poor quality of your posts. The other is I am making the minimal effort to point that out. Surprise, I have succeeded. Shake it off a bit. You'll feel better.
Heh. So now you acknowledge Chad did not beat Clemens out last year? You certainly have your own style of posting, I grant you that.
You are missing the point I'm trying to make. Of course Pennington was given the job last year - any coach would do that. My point is that Pennington was given all the reps with the first team while Clemens was playing with the second string. He didn't have the opportunity to win the job yet you keep talking like he was given the chance to take the job away before the season. He wasn't. The job was Pennington's barring injury or the season being over. My guess is that their plan was to have Clemens learn for another year before he even got a start, but Pennington getting injured for the 487th time and the season being so shitty changed things.
They didn't even hardly throw in the pre-season last year, one game Chad didn't throw a pass. How can someone win, lose or even "look better" in a competition that didn't take place? Chad beat him out with his performance over 16 games in 2006.
