The big difference being that Griffin was the single biggest reason why the Skins made the playoffs, where as if Sanchez had RGIII circumstance he isn't even close. No way he makes the playoffs if you flipped the defenses and the offensive line...and even the weapons were very close in terms of pass catchers (RGIII was without his #1 receiver for 6 games and he was severely limited in at least 2 others). Tough to grade the running backs because the threat of RGIII as a runner helps the RBs so much (even a rookie 6th round pick) as the d-lineman have to maintain position. Circumstance plays a part. That's why you can't just list team accomplishments.
I don't use team accomplishments as a QB stat. As an individual Sanchez was up and down. Nowhere near "good".
and yet in the biggest reg season win of the year the backup QB won it. They beat 2 playoff teams- Baltimore who was struggling at the time who Kirk Cousins beat and Minnesota who was a very weak playoff team. The sched was pretty vital to the turnaround too although Griffin was huge for them bringing energy back to that team. also, when Aldred Morris really got going is when the team really got going. griffin deserves a ton of credit but we can't forget about Morris. for me it's about winning, I don't care how we are winning as long as the QB is contributing which he was. You don't win by accident, our D is vastly overrated by the fanbase. we needed the O and the QB to be big contributors as well and we don't win as much as we did w/o Sanchez.
The top scoring Qbs in Fantasy, from last year were: 1. Drew Brees 2. Aaron Rodgers 3. Tom Brady 4. Cam Newton 5. RG3 6. Peyton Manning 7. Matt Ryan 8. Tony Romo 9. Andrew Luck 10. Matt Stafford Some of us don't want to settle for mediocrity, like you. Some of us want a Qb who can put up numbers and lead the team to wins consistently, like most of the Qbs on that list do.
So touchdown passes = fantasy stats? Good fantasy stats from a QB leads to winning games. This isnt rocket science. Putting up good fantasy stats is a good thing. What the heck planet are you living on?
1. Brees no playoffs 2. Rodgers 1 playoff win 3. Brady 1 playoff win 4. Newton- no playoffs 5. RGIII- one and done at home 6. Peyton- one and done(AGAIN) at home 7. Ryan- 1 playoff win 8. Romo- no playoffs 9. Luck- 1 and done in playoffs 10. Stafford- no playoffs combined 3 playoff wins from those 10 QBs- that would satisfy you guys? I find that odd. I'd prefer #s and wins but if given a choice for either mediocre #s and wins vs. great #s and not winning I'll take mediocre #s/wins. Last year he had neither but hopefully he gets back to normal this year.
If someone is calling TD's a fantasy stat they are showing that they clearly do not understand the game. Obviously scoring TD's is a huge factor in winning and losing football games. If someone is making an argument like that and you find yourself entertaining that argument, well, you are probably wasting your time.
the fantasy #s don't break down situations. if a QB throws a TD up big or down big late does that mean anything? not all TDs and TOs are created equal which many fans do not understand which is why most fan cannot evaluate QBs.
Playoff wins? :rofl2: :rofl2: You have no idea what you're talking about. For whatever reason, you can't grasp that the 2013 NFL is a passing league, led by the QB. Because Aaron Rodgers only won 1 playoff game last year somehow equals meaningless fantasy stats? Where the heck would have the Packers been last season without Rodgers?
yep, Matt Schaub was GREAT in the NE playoff loss last year, right? rating over 90, 2 TDs, 343 yds, almost 70% comp %, led team to 28 pts. he was spectacular when looking at the stat sheet. The problem is they were down 38-13 in the 4thn when he threw 2 garbage time TDs. He was 12-16(75%), 119 yds, 2 TDs after NE made it 38-13 in 4th but hey the fantasy #s tell us he was great so he must have been! it boggles my mind how we have more access to more info than ever before and fans still don't understand the game.
So Aaron Rodgers TD's were mostly meaningless because he only won one playoff game last year? You sound totally lost here. I dont even get what you're arguing. Since Sanchez won 4 playoff games 3 and 4 years ago somehow makes him on par with the guys who put up the best fantasy stats? What the hell is your argument?
No, Rodgers is great but that list just shows that fantasy #s don't always equal wins. 4 of the guys didn't make the playoffs and the ones that did were 1 and done or 2 and done. It's about making plays when it matters most, leading your team to points when they matter most not accumulating huge fantasy #s. The best do both but those guys are extremely rare. The bottom line is fans would rather see big fantasy #s than wins which is incredibly sad.
You just cherry picked one game. Over the course of the season, Schaub isnt in the top 10 fantasy wise.
What's funny is that Junc speaks of the Qbs (on that top scoring list) in a vacuum -- only mentioning last year. But whenever defending Sanchez, he includes several years ago, when Sanchez played better, because it suits his argument. Those Qbs on that list have Superbowl Wins, MVPs, Playoff appearances, and stats. Aside from Romo, those Qbs are putting up numbers AND have lead their teams to wins or are projected to lead their teams to wins based on their small sample size (because they're still young). Aside from Romo, which Qb on that list WOULDN'T you take over Sanchez, right now, going forward?
You realize there's only 4 rounds of playoffs right? Every team doesnt go the their respective title games. Only two teams are allowed to participate in the Super Bowl. You have to make the playoffs first. Consistent QB play with a vertical passing game translates to consistent success year in and year out more so than anything else in the NFL in 2013. So when Aaron Rodgers faces the 49ers,who also have a good QB, one guy is going to win and one guy is going to lose. That doesnt take away from Rodgers great regular season whatsoever. He's the main reason GB was even in that game. And guess what, the Packers will be in the playoffs again this year with a chance to win the SB....because Aaron Rodgers is their QB.
