Judging a QB.

nyjunc · Aug 19, 2013

displacedfan said: ↑

This is a response to the above and to the one post you speculated fans root for fantasy numbers over SBs which is laughable. Now if you expanded and said fans believe being a great fantasy QB can lead to winning the SB, you would have had a better idea, but you didn't mention that so I can only go off of what you wrote.

QBs who have helped their team reach the playoffs more than Sanchez since 2009:

Aaron Rodgers, top 5 QB.
Tom Brady, top 5 QB.
Drew Brees, top 5 QB.
Peyton Manning, top 5 QB.
Matt Ryan, top 10 QB.
Joe Flacco, top 15 QB.

There's the list.
Now I can't find scoring leaders in fantasy football per year except for last year, so here's last year QB scoring leaders:

#1 Brees, #2 Rodgers, #3 Brady, #5 Manning, #7 Ryan, #14 Flacco.

Hmm maybe it's just a coincidence that 5/6 QBs were top 10 fantasy players and 4/6 were top 5 fantasy players.

2013 preseason fantasy QB ranking (since 2013 ranking is based off of 2012):
Rodgers #1, Brees #2, Manning #3, Brady #4, Ryan #6, Flacco #15
2012 preseason:
Rodgers #1, Brady #2, Brees #3, Manning #9 (off injury), Ryan #11, Flacco #19
2011 preseason:
Rodgers #1, Brees #3, Brady #4, Ryan #10, Flacco #12, Manning N/A
2010 preseason:
Brees #1, Rodgers #2, Manning #3, Brady #4, Flacco #9, Ryan #14

So if take a look, all 4 years, 4/6 QBs fall within the top 10 including the year we only had 5 eligible QBs. That means, well look at that, the top QBs that consistently made the playoffs more than Sanchez, fell within the top 10 list of fantasy QBs.

Now while this list isn't perfect, you are never going to find a perfect stat. But would you imagine, a combination of yards, touchdowns, comp %, lack of INTs/fumble combined into some weighted formula ends having the top QBs near the top of the list. That's the way it goes.

So that's why fans root for their QB to be a top QB in the league, they just happen to be the top fantasy QBs also. It's also much easier to root for your QB to be like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, etc consistently leading your team to the playoffs.

The fan's goal is to see their team win the SB. To win the SB you need to make the playoffs. To consistently make the playoffs, most of the time you need a great QB. It's easy to root for your QB to be great.

That's why QBs like Rivers, Eli, Romo just don't make the playoffs as consistently as Brees, Rodgers, etc. Now you say, but Eli has 2 SBs and Brees and Rodgers combined have 1! Yes, not everything is perfect, teams can get hot and win the SB. But how as a fan do you root for that before the season? Let's hope our QB plays ok flopping between great and bad and we sneak into the playoffs and then get hot and win the SB? How do you root for that?

So lots of fans root for their QB to be top in the league. A top QB in the league also leads in fantasy stats, that's what happens. There are ways to make the playoffs without a consistently top QB, but going into the season, how do you root or even imagine that? You root to make the playoffs, and then hope for the best. The top QBs each year make the playoffs. The top QBs happen to make the playoffs. They also lead the league in fantasy.

Look at last year. We are going to list the top 16 QBs (32 in the league) by ESPNs standard scoring. Now this can be flawed, since QBs who missed games will have less games to score points, but that can be addressed at the end.

Top 16 fantasy QBs in 2012-2013:
Brees
Brady
Rodgers
Newton
P. Manning
Griffin III
Ryan
Romo
Luck
Stafford
Wilson
Dalton
Freeman
Flacco
E. Manning
Bradford

So 9/12 playoff QBs were above average fantasy QBs. We can't include Colin Kap in this study because he didn't play the whole season. Colin however scored 164 points in 7 games started. That comes out to a little above 23 ppg. Brady, #2 on the list, scored right around 21 ppg. So maybe Colin makes the top 16, maybe he doesn't, we can't speculate with less than half a season to work, just interesting to note.

So 9/11 top fantasy QBs were playoff QBs. THe 2 playoff QBs not in the top 16, Christian Ponder and Matt Schaubb. I would say that's pretty accurate.

Let's see what football outsiders had to say: 9/12 top 16 QBs made the playoffs if you include Kap and take off Alex Smith from the top 16 bumping Flacco into the 16.

Let's see what passer rating has to say: 9/11 top 16 Qbs made the playoffs as the list does not include Kap.

So yeah, I mean, the top QBs consistently make the playoffs. By consistently making the playoffs, you have more chances to win the Super Bowl. Fans want their QB to play like a top QB in the league, because more often than not, the top QBs make the playoffs. It just so happens the top QBs also are great fantasy Qbs too.

If you are too lazy to read, just read the bold above.
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and only Rodgers has more playoff wins since 2009

and my point wasn't about the top guys, it's about the Schaub's, Romo's, Rivers', etc... Guys that put up great individual #s but can't win.

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