What is trading down and drafting D'Angelo going to accomplish? How do you intend to fill the glaring needs at QB, DT, T and LB and just piss that 4th pick away? Listen, I appreciate that some of you guys follow these players through college, might even buy their college jerseys and hang pictures of them up in your bedroom, but at some point you have to say "he just doesn't fit what we're looking for now." D'Angelo in the 2nd, MAYBE, and that's a huge maybe, but we all know that he won't be there then, even if his stock is slipping... If we even consider RB in the first I'll lose all faith in this FO before the season starts....
I'm leaning towards Mario Williams or TRADE DOWN. That's an expensive draft spot and with a pick around 10-15 you can take more chances - QB?
Adrian Jones is never going to be more than a good starter in the NFL. Mind you, that's nothing to whine about and I would not be crushed at all if Jones continues as the Jets starter next season. But D'Brickashaw has the potential to be a top 5 offensive lineman in all of football. Sure he's kind of small but if he didn't get beaten against the top defensive ends in college football why would he get beaten by NFL guys? He is only going to get better. The fact of the matter is that he plays incredibly intelligent and with a huge amount of poise. Saying that Jones has almost as much upside as Ferguson is in my opinion (and keep in mind this is just my opinion) a ridiculous statement.
PRPitbull - AWESOME avatar! Thats Chris "Sean Puffy Combs" Childs cold cocking Robert Horry isn't it???
Drafting Ferguson so high would be a mistake. Too many OTs drafted that high don't amount to much. Many excellent tackles that win Super Bowls can be had much later in the draft. But you can't find too many Bruce Smiths or stud QBs as late as you can find stud OTs. For that reason, I would only pick 4th if I could get Leinert (unlikely) or Williams (unlikely.) If they are both gone, I try to trade down a few places (maybe Oakland?) and get another high pick. If I can't, looks like Hawk is the man.........
Ok, that can be said for anybody in the draft then. You can say the same thing about Drew Olson, does that make him better than Leinart?
My point wasn't about them being so good...I think they do like them as starters for this year though and will give us the chance to go after the deep LB class...
if you want to mess with me thats fine-- but please at least agree with me about the caugh trick. What is this an 80's movie?
agreed-- I will just take any opportunity I can get to bitch about how old Von Olehoffen is. I'm pretty sure he's from Holland, and wears wooden shoes.
You're actually wrong about tackles who are picked high not amounting to much. I looked at past first rounders, and Tackle is actually one of the easiest positions to predict greatness at. QB and WR are the worst. Tackle and LB are probably the best. Rb is good too, but many go down with injuries due to the nature of the position.
well if you looked at this past seasons pro bowl rosters, you'll see that ALL the Tackles were 1st rd picks, mostly high 1st rounders at that: Walter Jones - Rd 1 pick 6 Orlando Pace - Rd 1 pick 1 Chris Samuels - Rd 1 pick 3 Willie Anderson - Rd 1 pick 10 Jonathan Ogden - Rd 1 pick 4 Tarik Glenn - Rd 1 pick 19 Willie Roaf - Rd 1 pick 8 Outside of Tarik Glenn, all the tackles were top 10 picks Now for the pro bowl DEs: Dwight Freeney - Rd 1 pick 11 Derek Burgess - Rd 3 pick 1 Kyle Vanden Bosch - Rd 2 pick 3 Jason Taylor - Rd 3 pick 13 Julius Peppers - Rd 1 pick 2 Michael Strahan - Rd 2 pick 11 Osi Umenyiora - Rd 2 pick 24 Only 2 DEs were 1st rd picks, the rest 2nd and 3rd rounders What bothers me the most about our line is we literally dont have anyone dominant on our O-Line or really good for that matter. Kendall is the best one and hes a Guard. There seems to be no one on that line whos going to be our anchor for yrs to come. Thats why I want D'Brick
The talent level between Jones and Ferguson isn't large enough to justify taking Ferguson at #4. This year's tackle class is deep, but Ferguson is not on the level of other top 10 tackle picks. He's a level below Pace, Ogden, Jones, Samuels, Gallery. Jones unquestionably has the potential to be on that second tier. It's not ridiculous to say that their upsides are similar. Jones only started one year in college, thus his low draft position. Both Ferguson and Jones have very similar tools. Ferguson should be better, but not good enough to justify taking him.
Whatever happened to getting the Best Player Available?? From the look of things, Dbrick has everything you want in a Franchise LT, AJ Hawk looks like a probowler in the making, and Williams is a 300 lb freak of nature...so if it where me I would go 1)Take Dbrick if there/Move A Jones to RT (With a year of playing tackle I think he won't suck as badly at RT as he did last year anyway) 2)Take Mario - We do have a pair of 3-4 DE's already, but this guy has the tools needed to pressure the QB all the time. 3)Trade down if the offer is right and hope Hawk falls to you. If not, this years class of LB's are great so draft a stud with one of our Day 1 picks. I don't know why people have issues with Ferguson, My only complaint was he needed to gain some weight....and he did just that. He's the guy I want if he falls to us. http://www.fanball.com/fb/article.cfm/ID.5843 D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T, Virginia Height: 6-5 Weight: 312 Likely Draft Position: First Five Picks Possible Destinations: Saints, Titans, Jets NFL Comparison: Walter Jones Ferguson is about as close to a sure thing as there is at the top of this year's draft; in fact, were it not for the ber-sexy USC combo of Reggie Bush and Matt Leinart, D'Brickashaw would likely be the first player off the board. He's the perfect pro left tackle—hence the comparison to Jones, one of the best in the business—and answered concerns about being too light (at 297) by adding 15 pounds for the Combine and still demonstrating his trademark quickness. The questions about his bulk answered, nitpickers point to Ferguson's supposed lack of a mean streak as cause for concern. Given D'Brickashaw's long arms, outstanding footwork, and flawless technical skills, it's clear they're quibbling. He's the complete package and will grow—both literally and figuratively—into an anchor at left tackle for the fortunate team who selects him. It's almost unfortunate for the Texans that they have the top pick this year, all but forcing them to take Bush, as Ferguson would be the stud lineman this team has desperately sought since its inception. Instead, the Saints will likely nab him second overall and make Drew Brees a very happy man. Winston Justice, T, USC Height: 6-6 Weight: 303 Likely Draft Position: Middle of Round One Possible Destinations: Cardinals, Eagles, Dolphins NFL Comparison: Jon Jansen Need further proof that the NFL has a prototype for its offensive tackles? Justice is almost identical physically to Ferguson—tall, quick, good footwork, lacking in bulk—and there's little question they'll be the first two lineman to shake hands with Paul Tagliabue on draft day. Like Ferguson, the knock on Justice is that he needs to get bigger and stronger to compete at the pro level. Oh, and there are just a few quibbles about some off-the-field issues—probation for a solicitation charge in 2003, electronic monitoring and more probation for exhibition of a replica firearm in 2004—as well as concern about a surgically repaired right shoulder. Of course, teams find it far easier to overlook a troubled past when you're a three-year starter for a school that's played for the national title three straight seasons. Justice sparkled during USC's recent Pro Day festivities despite tweaking a hamstring during his 40, so it's tough to see him slipping past the middle of the first round. The Cards need blockers in front of Edgerrin James, and Denny Green has a track record of picking o-linemen in the first round, so Arizona is a likely destination for Justice. Marcus McNeill, T, Auburn Height: 6-7 Weight: 332 Likely Draft Position: Mid to Late First Round Possible Destinations: Cowboys, Chargers, Buccaneers NFL Comparison: Flozell Adams As physically imposing as Ferguson and Justice are, McNeill is even more so. He's bigger, he's clocked a sub-5.0 40, and once he gets his hands on a defender the play is essentially over. However, McNeill has too frequently let his athletic ability carry him, to the point that his technique and footwork need refinement before he can be considered as complete a prospect as the two tackles likely to be taken ahead of him. Moreover, he's not shy about second helpings and gets sluggish when his weight climbs. That said, plenty of teams will be more than willing to take a chance on McNeill's physical attributes and figure they can teach him proper technique—and how to mix in a salad. The Chargers or Buccaneers would love to see him slip down the draft board and into their starting offensive line, but the Cowboys may not let that happen. Nick Mangold, C, Ohio State Height: 6-3 Weight: 297 Likely Draft Position: Late First or Early Second Round Possible Destinations: Steelers, Saints, Jets NFL Comparison: Olin Kreutz Mangold's stock has been on a steady climb since the games stopped counting, thanks in no small part to a stellar showing at the Senior Bowl, and he may even slip into the bottom of the first round. While Minnesota's Greg Eslinger collected most of the postseason honors and accolades, he's a tad undersized for the NFL; Mangold, meanwhile, is big and nasty and will strengthen the interior of whichever team that lands him. Scouts concur that Mangold could add some bulk in order to stand up to some of the larger two-gap tackles; Hopefully that size won't come at the expense of quickness that makes him especially adept at pulling, trapping, and reaching linebackers in the second level. It's unlikely a team will jump on Mangold prior the Steelers at the end of round one, and he'd be a fit with Bill Cowher in the Steel City. If Pittsburgh goes a different direction, the Saints or Jets—both of whom lost Pro Bowl centers this offseason—will be more than happy to nab him early in round two. Max Jean-Gilles, G, Georgia Height: 6-3 Weight: 358 Likely Draft Position: Second Round Possible Destinations: Packers, Dolphins, Vikings NFL Comparison: Edwin Mulitalo Obviously, Jean-Gilles is a massive physical specimen capable of paving the way in any power running game. He also has decent footwork and quickness, though his technique could use work and he has struggled at times with pulling and getting to linebackers in the second level. That said, his fundamentals are solid and there's no overlooking his sheer size. If he's able to get and stay in shape, he possesses the potential to be a dominant guard at the pro level. Plenty of teams could use a road grader like Jean-Gilles, including the Ravens who could make a seamless transition from the veteran Mulitalo to a similar but younger player. The Packers and Dolphins could also use a second-round pick on Jean-Gilles to upgrade their lines, while the Vikings would love to add a monster like Max to a line that already upgraded at the other guard position with the free agency signing of Steve Hutchinson. I'll be content if we get any of the guys listed here....2 would be even better.
