No Way that evens out. We would probably have to send a 1st along with those three to even out the Deal. Agree, but they also don?t have any right now. No his trade value is very low right now. Yeah, he?s the AFC Rushingleader, but he?s also a 30yo RB, who only has 1-2 years left and wants a new longterm deal. Anyone who trades for him will have to give him a new Deal and pay him like an elite RB, when he?s just average. TJ?s tradevalue is close to nothing right now, maybe we can dump him after some other team?s Guy gets hurt in Camp, but right now, I don?t think there?s a way to trade him. No way, Mangini might be a Moron, but he?s no fucking Moron.
Everybody cheered him game after game last year. Thats because he had his mouth shut and wasn't crying about more money.
I don't see how anyone can defend Jones. Sure, there were many problems in '07, so he wasn't the only one that wasn't productive; but the fact remains, he wasn't productive and got paid like he was. I didn't hear him offering to give money back to the organization based on his lack of productivity then. Now he wants more money based on productivity. Sorry, TJ, tough shit.
The poster you responded to was right. TJ's trade value will never be higher than it is right now. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we SWAPPED third round picks for Thomas Jones, right? Meaning he wasn't even valued at a third round pick two years ago? If Cleveland is looking for a first rounder, there is simply no way they'd take TJ straight up.
I'd do the trade and then maybe try and sign an Edgerin James type player that would keep us fairly deep at RB.
I think we swapped 2nd round picks for Jones. I again think that Jones, Thomas and Smith even up for Edwards is a good deal for both teams and should be done. Cleveland drafted WRs and the jets drafted a RB. I think the main reason the deal WON'T get done is that Mangini took so much grief that he should have demanded more for the Sanchez pick.
He still was productive behind a putrid OL. He rushed for 1000 yards. I think he deserves more credit for what he WAS able to do in 2007
Again people fail to realize Jones, Smith and B Thomas ALL have ZERO trade value. Smith and BT are GARBAGE and NFL executives realize this, like most NYJ fans. T Jones maybe has some value, but at 31 + wanting a new contract, who the fuck is going to trade for him? Maybe Mangini, but he'll want pick(s) sooner than shitty ass Smith and BT. It will take Jones + 3rd for Edwards, possibly Jones + 2nd for Edwards + 5th. That is realistic, Cleveland is more than likely aware Jones will give them one year of realiable service at most, while Edwards still has the potential to be a #1 WR in this league for years to come.
Valid point. However the only team they'd have any value to scooped them up. You think Mangini will take more trash??? If he will, I'm obviously all for it. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit...
I'm sorry, but rushing for 1,000 yards doesn't mean what it used to. It averages out to about 63 yards/game, which is nothing. And you can't say, "well, he rushed for 1000 yards behind a bad OL..." then blame the OL for him only scoring 1 TD; because if he was good enough to still get over 1000 yds, then he should've also scored more than 1 TD. The point is, that year, he got paid a lot for being mediocre. Did he offer to give the money back that he didn't deserve?
the red zone offense was a joke that year... the team couldn't get in the end zone to get Jones his opportunity to score... nonetheless, he is a replaceable back. 90% of players in this league can be replaced by a younger player who is cheaper and can have the same production. Yes he had a career year, but I can see it now - everyone will be asking why he isn't doing it again next year and attacking the FO for giving him the big contract at 30 years old, forgetting how they wanted to give him that contract in the 1st place. I have the confidence that the FO can find a back to replace Jones when the time comes, whether it be Greene or drafting another back and implementing a 3 man crew at RB.
I don't see how you can't blame everything on the OL in 2006 regarding our rushing attack. We only scored 6 total Rushing TDs (2 were by QBs, 1 by Jones and 3 by Leon who had 2 of them against the 1-15 Dolphins). Jones was able to rush for 1119 yards because he ran 310 times (only fumbling twice) which is actually 70 ypg. He wasn't tearing it up but he WAS doing his job.
Yeah, Leon scored more TDs with less touches. Two of them came against the Phins, the 1-15 Phins that TJ also played against. Leon scored and Jones didn't; that tells me that Leon was able to produce more effectively than TJ behind the same shitty OL. TJ needs to realize that he got paid his money in '07 and that in the NFL, when you're a 30-year-old RB, you're just not going to command a lot of money.
Jones did score in that game. Washington's first TD was a direct snap to him in the shotgun formation where he made many tacklers miss for 18 yards. The second was a 12 yard run off of the Left tackle. Neither of them were dominating OL plays. I don't disagree here, but I can't blame him since he's been the workhorse back and he's trying to cash in on his best pro season.
Mangini looks like he wants to go on the cheap for the first season, dumping heavy contracts and getting players he is familiar with. They were desperate to get out of the 5 spot so they wouldn't have to pay that kind of money. Braylon is looking to ask for way more money than he has proven he is worth, you think Mangini wouldn't dump that in favor of familiar role-players who know his way of coaching?
