Not when you look at the splits. Obviously Greene was fresh for the playoffs. TJ had 206 carries at that point last year and Greene couldn't catch a cold. Week 12 this year it's LT: 166 Greene 140 So Jone had about 2 more games on his tires than our leading carrier this year by week 12 last season.
Well we don't know what they expected when they drafted him but they said he was going to make a short term impact and that they would have kept Washington if they hadn't been able to trade up and get McKnight (implying that he'd play the Washington role). http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/jets-trade-leon-washington-then-draft-joe-mcknight-042410 McKnight isn't a project; he's a big name player who's played a ton at a big time school. A project is a guy like Ducasse or Vincent Jackson who has a shitload of ability but hasn't put it together.
That's just a baseless assumption you made to try and back up your narrow minded and naive argument. You aren't on the Jets staff, you don't know what he was drafted for. There are also other ways to contribute other than in the offensive game. McKnight has been solid on special teams the last couple of weeks, which is definitely contributing. He was placed on IR his rookie year. He still had the advantage of learning the game mentally. Do you consider a 2nd year QB starting his first game the equivalent of a rookie QB starting his first game? You can use that argument that Jones had 56 receptions one season, but screw that. We watched Jets games, Jones was shit in receiving. Jones and Greene could not catch last year, Woodhead could. LT can catch this year, making Woodhead irrelevant. What don't you understand about a project pick, who happens to be on one of the most talented rosters in football?
Greene took a lot of carries the last 2 weeks of the season. Woodhead was more interchangeable with Jones because of his catching out of the backfield. Greene had stone hands last year - not much of a 3rd down back. What everyone has been saying, and you're refusing to acknowledge is that the situations are not equal. There are a number of contributing factors, one of which may be that the CS doesn't trust McNight. For you to sit here and scream THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY, I'M RIGHT, YOU ARE ALL WRONG, is ridiculous. Also, Woodhead was a NON FACTOR for the Jets last year. :lol:
I would tell you that maybe Greene wasn't 100% ready at that point for a major role on offense, but it would be pointless considering you don't understand that it takes players time to develop.
This team is loaded will talent and he's a 3rd string RB on a top rushing team. I'd rather have him sit and learn. There were a lot of college habits he had to undo.
You are the one assuming. You are going to compare a 3rd RB to a starting QB? seriously? woodhead became more involved earlier than the last 2 weeks though(and Greene only carried 29 times total the last 2 weeks of the reg season). It's more important this season to keep Greene and LT fresh than it was a year ago to keep Jones and Greene fresh since Greene was fresh. This is not an "I'm right, you are wrong" argument. If that's the way you want to take it that is on you. This is common football sense, if the man was ready to contribute they would find ways for him to contribute. he's not and you guys are trying a million different ways to rationalize this so it doesn't look like the move was a bad one. As of today it was a terrible move but hopefully somewhere down the line it turns into a good one. The facts wouldn't back that up since he was involved in the offense when he ws healthy. I understand it can take players time to develop, not every player develops at the same rate but you are posting lies about how he was a project not expected to contribute this year in order to help the weak case you are making.
That's a good thing so some folks can learn. I love the fans that do that, they contribute nothing to a discussion and cannot prove anything I have written is wrong, then when I prove my case they post the thread got "junc'd". I'm glad, if a thread get's junc'd it means people are learning.
you fail to comprehend the arguments against, and repeat your case. your style of debate is comparable to a sledgehammer. id rather 50 posts of "junc'd" non contributing bullshit that 50 pages of your point ad nauseam.
He had maybe 1 meaningful touch prior to December. Midway through the 3rd quarter against Carolina when we were up 2 scores. If that's meaningful. Why is that? And neither of our backs are as heavily used as TJ was last season and we're more balance this year. The only thing terrible is that Jets fans can't get over the fact that the Pats picked up our 54th best player and use him. You know better than to suggest a 4th round pick was a terrible decision in his rookie season when he has 2 very good backs ahead of him.
Junc, Refusing to concede the validity of another person's argument and refusing to concede that you are wrong isn't debating; it's just talking to yourself. This thread got junc'd up.
OK, are we into december yet? how many meaningful touches has McKnight had? Why? B/c last year Greene was completely fresh, this year he has as many carries now as he had through the reg and postseason combined last year and LT is old for a RB and has a million tocuhes in his legs. We need these guys somewhat fresh for the stretch drive. LT has 223 touches this year TJ had 248 through 12 last year That's pretty close and LT has alot more carries/recs in his legs than TJ does for their careers. This has nothing to do w/ NE picking up Woodhead. I was not a woodhead fan, I didn't like what he showed us in our offense. That is not my point, my point is he earned PT last year and McKnight hasn't this year.
blame you and the mcknight apologists for trying to convince us Joe is living up to expectations b/c he was lucky to have a ball glance off a blocker on a PR.
I never said he's living up to expectations. I never said he's sucking total ass either. I have patience and know what the kid can do, and how it takes time. What I am saying is he's not a bust to be written off and he needs time to develop. I don't let the highly edited hard knocks and one pile of puke influence my opinion on what I thought of him coming into the NFL. I knew he wasn't replacing Leon and I didn't place the expectations on him everyone else did once they saw the USC tag and the whispers about being the heir to Reggie Bush. I know better.
I haven't given up on him but to say he has not sucked is incorrect, he hasn't shown a thing and he hasn't been able to get on the field. year 1 has been a terrible year for him so far. I am not giving up on him forever, I'm just disappointed in what he showed us this year. I expect he'll contribute next year. My opinion isn't formed from hard Knocks and if a player is throwing up at rookie mini camp then fails his conditioning test that's not a good sign.
