If one considers players like Eli Manning and Big Ben elite or franchise QBs then at this point you have to include Joe in that group. Good regular season success and very good post season success. Now a Super Bowl ring and MVP to go along with it. Simply put, he has to be in the top group. No, he's not Brady or Peyton, but right now I would lump him with the rest right behind them.
9 playoff wins in 5 years as a pro (Peyton manning has the exact same amount) That's about as elite as you can get
Roflmao I didn't even realize that. Man that is just sad. (Yes, I know, he "didn't have enough help" :lol: )
It's the opposite for Peyton, he's always had elite talent around him. He's also always been the focal point of the O which Flacco has never really been but Peyton has had talent to work w/ since day 1.
If you are only going with two tiers, then Flacco would have to be considered as elite. BUT, if you stratify it even further, he would move down. I'd put Peyton, Brady, Rodgers and Brees in the "elite" category. They are guys that can single handedly take over a game, regardless of whom their receivers are, and win. They'll usually roll through the regular season and put up impressive stats AND a good number of wins. Really good "Franchise QBs" would be the next group and Flacco would be in it, especially given the run he had since Caldwell took over. IF he continues to sustain that level of play, then he'd move up into the "elite" club, but that is something that will come with time. TLDR version: All depends on how you are defining "elite".
At this point, I am left wondering how many SB MVP would Sanchez have to win as a Jet, before I became a fan. It would have to be more than one. I can't stand him that much.
I agree for two tiers. I see the top 4 as you defined as "elite". The next 4 are Eli, Big Ben, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. Then the next group is a mess. It includes veterans like Cutler, Rivers, and rookies like Wilson and RgIII. I don't really know where to place any of them .Cutler and Rivers have never been ELITE but they have been solid over a long amount of time. Wilson and RGIII and Luck came out hot, but they only have one year under their belts. I saw this stat and the other one combined by a ton of people on twitter: Joe Flacco now has the same amount of career playoff wins as Peyton, (9), and in his 4 game SB run threw for 11 TDs, the same amount Brady threw for in total in ALL 3 of his SB winning runs. I think it was ESPN STATS that called it up to start a Flacco elite? discussion.
He'd have to change a lot! like into a whole new person/player. I can't stand him. He's ruining football for me currently, (he and Ryan of course) So, I would tolerate them if the team won the SB.
Haha, if they won I super bowl I would pay for their plane tickets back to NJ from the SB. All is forgotten in my mind if you can bring a SB to the NYJ organization. I mean in hindsight, it's why we overlooked flaws in Rex and our team the first 2 years. We were so close, we as fans brushed anything questionable or annoying under the rug under the idea "they're bringing us success!"
But there in your post is the problem for me, I HATED BOTH OF THEM JOINING THE JETS FROM THE START. I never overlooked either of their flaws, even when winning. I've convinced myself, that it is because of them why we didn't win a SB one of those two seasons. (Despite Juncs opposition to that theory) I want them out of here, so I can begin to enjoy my team again. A SB win by them will not really make Ryan less of a jerk, it will only justify his jerkiness. Sanchez on the other hand, could surprise me and actually become a NFL caliber QB. I'm not for waiting though, I want him gone!!
Rex Ryan is a jerk? I wouldn't say he's a jerk, I would say he is an interesting character. Well if you didn't like them from the start I think it's still crazy you wouldn't like them. Also disagree Rex held us back. He did better with "Mangini's players" in 2009 and rookie QB than Mangini did with Favre and his players.
Kind of, Not really though. Both finished 9-7. Rex just had the benefit of tie-breakers. Rex also had the benefit of a gift victory over Indianapolis. Realisitically, that was an 8-8 ballclub that was lucky to get in and played some outstanding D in the playoffs against 2 teams that were/are annual playoff choke artists.
If Rex Ryan gets a Superbowl win, he can toe fuck his wife at halftime for every home game for all I care (for the next five years, anyways).
Half the posts here are making excuses for why we sucked, the other half make excuses for why we had success.
all 9-7's are not created equal, in 2008 we had a future HOF QB, no Tom Brady to deal w/ and quite possibly the easiest sched we have EVER had. Good teams take advantage of lucky breaks, in 2009 we got a qtr and a half of Indy backups and we won, in 2008 we got a season w/o Tom Brady and we couldn't take advantage.
This is true to a degree. I won't argue. I just think about that season and how if Indy hadn't sat their starters in the second half, today we'd all have a much different view of Rex Ryan and Mark Sanchez. They both might be former Jets today and we wouldn't be wasting a year of rebuilding this team into a contender - like we are today.
