I'd like to single out Hager, a player i had not heard of. He played very well, especially against the run.
In this photo here it looks pretty clearly an empty hand and a fumble. https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...that_looked_like_clear_fumble/s1_127_33668465
a photo after the ball is out? lol Here is a photo of his arm forward with possession prior to the strip. https://imgur.com/N8EXmrl
I agree with the ex nfl official in the article that is was a bad call that should have procedurally been ruled and a fumble and all evidence said that it was a fumble. It was a horrible call the hand was empty, the ball was out before the arm went forward. You can quite clearly see in that photo that when the arm went forward there was no ball. We got screwed.
the photo I showed you he has possession and the arm already went forward. only a jet fan would call the refs bad for making the right call because they wanted the wrong call and a loss. jax isn't winning a game. the win didn't matter anyway. once we beat the rams we lost the 1st pick. that was it
In your photo the arm is not going forward. It is still back and the ball is coming out. It is a fumble.
watch his hand. it's already forward in the pic i sent you with possession. yes it's a bang bang play but with the video replays we have now frame by frame you can clearly see the hand go forward before it gets knocked out. any movement of the hand forward starts it as a pass and can't be fumbled unless they recock it backwards. I'm not sure how you can't see that from the still i gave you, yet your still where the ball is already way out and therefore useless proves your point? you aren't looking for an objective answer. you just want to be "right" and are searching for ways to make it seem that way when it isn't.
It seems to me you are the one that wants to be right. The photo you show shows the QB with his arm fully back with the defender appearing to be touching the ball. Procedurally the refs are required to call any call this close a fumble. There is no evidence that they can see otherwise that it was not a fumble. Replay would not help them. It was a blown call. There is no dispute here that it was a blown call. Which is why that ex-nfl official in the article I linked you said it was a blown call and a fumble. But then again your dead set on being right and not looking at the evidence.
there is no such thing as "fully back" it needs a reference point. watch the video that pic was snapped after his hand moved forward and he still had possession. I gave you evidence your picture showed nothing. mine showed a shot after the hand moved forward while he had posession. not only that but it was called an incomplete on the field. which means you need without a doubt evidence to overturn it. I could care less either way. the win or loss means 0. doesn't effect our pick. we still suck. gase is still fired. it's a meaningless call for us that only hurts the browns if it was wrong. your pissy about a pick we never had.
The announcer got it right when he said whichever way it was called on the field, was how it was gonna stand. No CLEAR evidence either way.
What's clear in the 2nd pic is Becton getting schooled by a good pass rusher (again). Becton is good but has more learning to do. Maybe moving him to the right side for Sewell might work!
What you fail to see is that even if what you contend is correct it is still a fumble. If we give you the benefit of the doubt which I disagree with and the ex-ref who anlayzed the tape also disagrees with you, is that the call on the field is required to be a fumble. As the ex-nfl official said in a call this close the referees are required to call it a fumble on the field and there is no way any replay can overturn it. The call was a bad call. The Refs were required to call it a fumble and they blew it. The Jets got screwed two weeks in a row by the refs.
they weren't required to by any means. it's a judgement call. I agree they should let the play go and then it gets auto reviewed but it's pretty dam clear the hand moved forward prior to the ball coming out when watched in slow motion on the replay. Stop being salty because we lost out on the number 1 pick. tlaw isn't a guarantee. no player is. too many fans here fall in love with a college player as the savoir but history has shown more often then not they aren't. how many SBs did luck win? the call was correct. the browns could have just been better. we've been blown out a ridiculous amount of times. even if the call was wrong it's not why they lost. they lost because we shut down their run and baker isn't good another 1st overall QB people loved here who is just a game manager surrounded by a talented team dragging them down
