I love when posters conveniently change your argument for their benefit. Hey if I said the bold, I'd be on your side. The problem is I didn't say that. Of course Harvin would have more explosive plays since I said for the umteeth time, I believe "Harvin is a more EXPLOSIVE version of Kerley". What might be a 30 yards catch and run for Kerley can likely be a 70 yard TD for Harvin because he is a lot FASTER and more EXPLOSIVE. However, the point still remains they are both utility players (i.e., can line them up everywhere and help in the return game) that are used primarily in the slot.
I think it has been proven that he is MOST effective out of the slot not the outside. Its kind of like putting Coples a natural DE as OLB, can he do it sure, but its not where he is most effective. As a coaching staff you want players that fit your system, and where you can maximize their potential. Rex preaches this all the time. Do I like Kerley as a player sure, do I love Harvin's potential, sure. I just don't see how you can play to their strengths with both of them on the team at the same time. Listen, I love Kerley as a Jet, he's great, been great, but I like Harvin's potential more, and I don't like them both on the same team at the same time. That 4mil a year should have been used on a guy that allows Harvin to stay in his natural position and dominate from the slot like he always has. It should have been used on a decent outside guy, it just allows for players to stay in the position they are most accustomed and most effective, maximizing the players and teams potential.
I wonder if the Harvin deal didn't improve Idziks negotiating power here helping him keep the price down.
I don't know how else to debate with you without going back and watching every play of his Vikings career. I did find an ESPN article that shows until 2012, he was no more than 2 yards above the average NFL WR YAC. His average target was 10 yards down the field in 3 of the 4 years. His final year in Minnesota they started using him on more bubble screens and slants. So his first three years, he was targeted 10 yards away from the line of scrimmage, on average. I unfortunately have nothing to compare that too because the article is solely on Harvin.
One really nice thing about the latest developments (Harvin, Kerley) is that if Harvin works out this year, we can ignore WRs in the offseason for the most part. Since we have a lot of other needs, this would let us concentrate on the secondary, OL, LBs, and maybe QB. I think the original plan was to draft Saunders to replace Kerley, but Saunders didn't work out at all. Ok, so your point is that Seattle, a team widely lauded as having a genius front office, gave up 3 draft picks, including 1st and 3rd rounders, for a guy who's a slightly better version of Kerley? And now another GM (Idzik) is excited about a slightly better version of Kerley for 10 million a year. I mean come on, man. Harvin had a a 13.2 ypc his rookie year in Minnesota, but then it went down subsequent years for various reasons. It went WAY down in Seattle, because the Seahawks really weren't using him properly, which pretty much everyone agrees with. But even in Minnesota, his YPC went down as Favre got older and then retired. And again, you gotta realize, Harvin was the #1 guy in Minnesota and in Seattle, the guy the defense was game-planning for, bringing safeties over, double teaming, etc. In those situations, if everyone is overcompensating for him going all the way over the top, it makes sense for him settle for shorter catches. The bottom line is, the guy has all the tools to be a deep threat, both catching and running the ball, and has done it over his career. Cherry-picking stats won't change that.
IDK man, to be honest it's nice having more then 1 receiver that can catch a football. Surely you will see Harvin in the slot - it's not like Kerley plays every single snap anyway. I think if Edelman and Danny Amendola can co-exist playing together, so can Harvin and Kerley.
YPC in Harvin's case is deceiving. He has some deep throws and that should bump up his YPC, but he has way more touches behind or at the line of scrimmage which brings his YPC way down. Its really unfair to compare these two receivers deep threat capabilities on YPC because the numbers are scewed.
love this move, kerley deserves this and he's gonna be great on 3rd downs. hopefully harvin takes a lot of pressure off this kid
I think it's probably why he decided to extend Kerley not long after the trade. He has the bargaining power, so he was able to get Kerley on the cheap. I doubt it's why he made the trade, but it's definitely one of the benefits of it.
Again changing my argument for the benefit of yours. At no point have I ever said Harvin is "a slightly better version" of Kerley. FOR THE LAST TIME, similar games but Harvin is way faster and a lot more explosive. Also, how is a career stat, cherry picking? Aren't you the one cherry picking with rookie year vs with young/old Favre vs SEA not using him right…etc.?
Also interesting he's the first guy we resign after drafting his potential replacement in Saunders (fail) and then trading for Harvin.
Kind of like not drafting another in the box SS in the first so that your young late round steal of a SS can continue to develop in said role, which he was getting accustomed to and was very effective at.
Thats a fair point, and I also think we got Kerley for a team friendly deal and at a good price, so that's hard to pass up. I think this will just force Morningweg to be a little more creative, but I think he's up for the challenge, we will see.
Also a great article on Kerley I read about a month ago Hard not to root hard for somebody like this. Hopefully he is a Jet for life http://nypost.com/2014/09/27/why-kerley-sometimes-feels-hes-underrated-as-a-receiver/
DGB may but no way in hell Kevin White will be. Assuming we bring back Harvin I doubt we draft a guy early. As much as I want one of the elite guys I can't see Idzik paying a #4 receiver 4 mill a year but who knows hopefully I'm wrong.
