There is no denying Harvin's talent and potential, or what he is good at. Can he be a deep threat, thats the question on everyone's mind. In Minnesota he was used more this way and was somewhat successful with a guy like Farve throwing him the ball. So it is certainly possible. Seattle has a ball control offense and really does not let Wilson unleash the deep ball as they view it too risky, so he was used much differently. Here in NY I think Morningweg is a very creative OC and will find ways to get him in open space where he is best. I think he will be the focal point of our offense and that will make Harvin happy to be a Jet. I think he has the potential to be a deep threat and we should at least try him in this manner and see if he's still got it.
he goes missing some games. but he is a good slot gummy. and additional talent will make him a lot more effective.
This is good news. I wonder if he will be our 2 or stay in the slot. I like him more in the slot but i think Harvin would be DANGEROUS there too. Idk if we go after a WR now that Kerley is staying though thats alotta money put into one position.
I don't think he is going to be expendable if Harvin works out but don't they basically play the same position. He is a good player and again is underutilized. So a surprise the timing coming after the Harvin deal. But I like this signing a lot. Of course if you have 2 good slot receivers you can always trade one of them.
Past three years his YPC is the same as Kerley's if not lower. Does that mean he hasn't been a deep threat this year? Or does it mean he's a guy that can be a deep threat that's also asked to do other things? That career YPC is extremely skewed because his first 3 years in the league literally all he could do was run fast in a straight line. That was his one and only job. I personally think Harvin and 2014 Wallace are more comparable players than Harvin and Kerley.
That wasn't really the argument though. I don't particularly care what label Harvin has, slot or outside receiver, or what his exact stats are compared to others, when there are obviously lots of different factors involved in that. My original argument is simply that Harvin is a completely different type of WR from Kerley. I understand your point that they might have some similarities to their games, like for example they both run crossing routes often and so on, but again, that's like saying both Barry Sanders and Blair Thomas look for holes in the offensive line and then try to run through them, it doesn't really mean anything. Harvin's game, due to his speed and athleticism, is just completely different from Kerley's.
Then not sure what you are arguing about then since the phrase a I used "more explosive version of Kerley" encompasses both their similarities and differences. My point is despite Harvin being the superior athlete they both do a lot of the same things. It's no different than calling Kerley a poor man's Harvin. Similarities: -stature -type of routes they run -slot WRs -3rd down targets -versatility (can line up in the backfield and outside in a pinch) -returners -short area quickness -ability to make people miss in space Differences -speed -explosiveness -athleticism To a man almost every Charger player as well as those that have seen Brandon Oliver play refer to him as being less explosive or poor man's version of Sproles. Is it because they both look for holes in the o-line? NO! It's because they are of similar size and similar styles of play despite Sproles being the more explosive and accomplished player. The Sanders/Thomas comparison is just you using a silly extreme in an attempt to degrade my point, it's nothing like the Harvin/Kerley comparison. If there was a less explosive or poor man's versions of Sanders, Thomas clearly would not be it. He shares NOTHING with Sanders other than the having played in the NFL and being a RB. His son, Barry Sanders Jr, who plays for Stanford might be the closest to that very (x 100) poor man's version of the original if one exists. He has a little bit of that stop and start style that only his dad had.
Was this another 'sanchez'? They got a receiver and were worried Kerley would be upset so they gave him a bunch of money?
Harvin is going to make a lot of guys on this offense better just by being present. Harvin, Decker, Kerley with our tight ends hopefully stepping up is a legitimate offense.
How many SB did U see jets win with Kerley? Exactly zero, that's the FACT. There was nobody in the FO since 1968
260 targets over the last 4 years, 6 drops TOTAL. thats reliability right there. the man isn't the straw that stirs the drink or nothin, but its nice to have him here.
What I am arguing about is that Harvin is qualitatively different from Kerley, not just quantitavely as you are making it sound. Your argument is that he essentially plays the same way as Kerley but just faster and more explosively, and I am saying that his speed and explosiveness make him a weapon in completely different ways from Kerley, to the point that they really shouldn't be compared. Some examples: - While Harvin does play a lot in various roles around the line of scrimmage or in the short passing game, on any given play you can put him at outside receiver, and he will use his speed to beat his man and get wide open down the field. He was used quite a bit like that in Minnesota. That is something that Kerley cannot physically do, due to lack of speed. - You can pass the ball to Harvin at the line of scrimmage, and he will use his speed, quickness and athleticism in space to run past defenders, and be a threat to go all the way. Again, due to lack of speed and athleticism, Kerley is not capable of doing this, and when we called plays like that in the past, it was usually Salas doing them. - You can give the ball to Harvin as a running play, whether it's a sweep around the edges, or something else, and he can do good things with it. Kerley cannot do this. - Even on short yardage passes inside, they are completely different players. Kerley catches those passes to prolong the possession and obtain a first down. He almost never gets any serious gain out of it. Harvin, on the other hand, is a threat to go all the way on every play like that, and must be focused by the defense to stop that. - As mentioned above, every team Harvin played for, he was usually the guy the opposing defenses schemed for. You have to scheme for him catching short passes and running, running with a sweep, going deep outside. This can have a tremendous effect on the game, and improve the play of his teammates, as more attention is focused on him and less on them. This btw also tends to decrease his stats. Do you think anyone schemes for Kerley?
Harvin has played the outside in the past. They can slide him out there to get both of them on the field together more often.
One thing that has to factor into this extension is the fact that Kerley won't be spending the remainder of the season worried about where he'll be in a couple months, or worried about having to move his family or be away from them too much. Bringing in Harvin had to make Kerley unsure of his future as a Jet, so if Idzik was confident he was going to re-sign him anyway, it makes sense to get it done now. Another reason I like this is because it limits what we have to worry about getting done in FA. Assuming Harvin stays, we won't have to worry about WR in FA at all, and can focus on other aspects of the team. It's always nice for the homegrown talent to see one of their peers get rewarded as well. Mo will get done, no doubt about it.
