So did the QB still get out of the pocket and make a play? I would love to see data that shows how many hurries resulted in a negative play for the opposing team versus how it didn’t mean anything because QB was able to dump off to check down or was able to buy more time by getting out of the pocket and making a play. I’m not being critical of your post but I think hurries are an overrated stat because the play still continued and they don’t paint the complete picture.
Not that I totally disagree with your sentiment but it is funny because I feel like there has been a shift towards looking at hurries and pressures rather than just sacks. Someone getting to the quarterback four times but pressuring the quarterback into making a bad throw or an incompletion 30 times could be significantly more effective than someone who gets to the quarterback nine or 10 times and makes the hit.
Exactly how you should approach FA and the draft. Wish I could pin your comment. Never bank on the draft to fill out specific starting positions, instead be prepared to take what the board gives. That means using FA to fill out roster ensuring flexibility.
I agree it seems that hurries and pressures seems to have become become a more desired stat than sacks. Hurries and pressures are also considered a more consistent stat that is a better indicator of future success.
I definitely see how that comes into play, I’m not discounting it completely, however we saw the playoff game between Bills and Chiefs, Mahomes was under pressure from the Bills defense all game, yet he still managed to beat them. Based on the hurries stat that defense should have made a difference and Bills should have won the game. During the course of the game I completely understand how a hurry can cause an incomplete pass, It’s almost a wash though, for every hurry that causes an incomplete pass, the next play, the QB avoids the rush and makes a play negating the hurry. It’s why I would love to see the data, not sure if there is any though.
Yup. I mean you would still like a guy to get there and finish the play but if he is forcing incompletions on even half of his 30 pressures then that’s pretty damn productive. It’s why people think Quinnen Williams stinks. they need to see the sack numbers in the box score.
True but you are also using the absolute top of the line in this circumstance. Guys like Mahomes and Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are so unique because unless you literally drag them to the ground, they are able to make a play. I would say that only describes about 10 quarterbacks in the NFL
Yes, but those are the guys I want my defense to dominate and sack, I don’t care about the Minshews, Darnolds of the world. I know Darnold will throw an interception. It’s why the Bills just gave Miller that contract, they have plenty of players that can hurry the QB, they realized they needed a guy who can stop the QB not just hurry him.
Well that’s also why we only gave this dude $6 million guaranteed. He’s a depth signing who has one job. If you get 30–40 pressures and a few sacks out of him then it’s money well spent. Hopefully we are finding our guy that can hit the quarterback with the fourth pick and then pairing him with the guy we signed last year to hit the quarterback.
I was basically going to say this last night in another post …. You are right (hopefully). JD has signed some good young players but the draft should be used to pluck some long term solutions and hopefully stars. If KT is there at #4 and JD likes him he’ll be the pick regardless of the Martin signing. If Ruckert and McBride are there at #38 and JD likes them - one of them will be the pick and etc. JD now has the flexibility to draft who he sees as long term starters rather than who he has to pick to fill a position ….
agreed hurries and pressures are what agents who represent pass rushers who don’t get sacks like to talk about wouldn’t discount it completely but there’s a reason why pass rushers who get sacks are getting $15m+ per year and pass rushers who get hurries and pressures are getting $3m per year. The Mack’s and Bosa’s and Jones’ and Garrett’s aren’t getting paid because they lead the league in “hurries” let’s not kid ourselves…it’s nice to talk about pressures and hurries and how they *can* turn into interceptions, but we need pass rushers who get sacks night and day difference
Hurry is a completely useless stat. It's subjective anyway, put yourself in the statistician's seat, on any given play, who are you going to give the "hurry" to? The closest guy in an opposite jersey? How close does he have to be? What if he's actually being blocked? Does the QB have to look "hurried"? How does he look hurried? Isn't he kinda hurried on every play anyway? Such a stupid stat
Teams who do it right pick up underrated players in free agency and look for stars early in the draft. It seems JD and Coach don't need our advice.
No, none of those are necessarily "out" in the draft. It just means that we're not forced to get one, and not predictable to other teams in which direction we'll go. JD could opt to just go BPA. He could still take Sauce Gardner at #4 or maybe #10. He could still take Jermaine Johnson, KT, Ojabo, Karlaftis at #10. He could still take Hamilton at #4. He could take a S in the 2nd round. More than likely, he WILL take a TE in the 3rd or 4th round, if not, then in the 5th.
