Oh yeah I do--I've read the whole thread. You're really proving your point though, please continue. Makes total sense. _
Even if I thought he was greatly improved and the better player ( I don't) you can't put Smith in simply because of the way Fitzpatrick has performed and what that means in the locker room. There are a lot of veterans on this team you think they would be cool with sitting the likable Vet in Fitzpatrick for the not-so-likable Smith with the team 2-0 and playing well. especially with how much trouble they've had at the QB position in recent years? think about offensive vets like Mangold, Brick, Colon, Ivory, Decker.. you think they'd be fine with the a decision to go back to Geno Smith? Bowles would lose the locker room in his rookie season! fitzpatrick would have to play poorly for multiple weeks for Geno Smith to take his job back IMO
Just to be clear--at 2-0 with a QB who has not fucked up you want to reinsert a QB who hasn't played since December, got his jaw broken and has barely practiced in 6 weeks because you have an inflated and delusional sense of his upside? Yes, we disagree. _
Ok stokes don't you dare run your mouth about talent evaluation. Your the guy on here who wanted such studs as Manziel. So don't even say you never said that because it was one of the very first arguments we ever had and is the reason I even remembered who you were. So you don't exactly give ringing endorsements when it comes to qb talent. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
I don't think anyone is saying to sit Fitz in favor of Geno. The team is winning and the QB play isn't hurting the team. We were having a discussion unrelated to benching Fitz and someone took comments out of context in an attempt to troll.
In two years you'll eat your words. Maybe in two months. I'll run my much as I want. Besides, don't be a dick and take stuff out of context. It has ALWAYS been Teddy then Carr then Marcus then Mett then Manziel. Marcus moved to number 1 when he stayed a year. Don't be that guy. There are plenty here who will back me up. But I'd take Manziel in a nanosecond over Geno right now. _
He was 8 of 15 the other day. The Browns sent him to the bench for a frigging journeyman. Cmon dude you don't want me to be a dick, fine don't be one to me either. You can disagree and keep the smart assery to a stokes normal. No personal shots. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
We don't know how the locker room views him but he definitely has to earn his way back on the field. I'm more irked at him for being in this situation to begin with while giving his detractors ammo to go "see see I told you".
I think the locker room players prob still like Geno, but I don't know if they completely respect him - he's got to earn that respect back, it will be hard for him to do this on the bench, but it's not impossible. Best thing for him to do is be quiet and improve his craft. I don't know if Fitz makes it 16 games, but Geno needs to be ready if the opportunity arises.
I have always stated that Manziel will be a starting QB in this league and a good one. I stand by that. He has already shown in limited duty that he has some of his magic from college and has completely straightened out his life. 2014 was the year to draft a QB. 2013 was the year NOT to draft a QB. I'd also take AJ and Savage and Garappolo over Geno right now. Don't tell me to "not run my mouth" and I won't call you a dick. _
Holy shit. What the hell does Johnny Manziel have to do with numbers and facts in a discussion as to why Geno should start over Fitz? You are confusing yourself. _
Dude now you're the one taking shit out of context. You know exactly what we were talking about. That was a shot at you in response to yours at mine. Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Geno's only shot is that Fitz hits the typical Fitzpatrick wall. If he can avoid that he will remain the starting QB. That being said, watching Monday night all I could think was how bad Fitzpatrick is.
He played better than Andrew Luck did he not? Fitz w/ no running game was able to put up 250 yards, 2tds and 1 INT. Interception was a bad throw no doubt. Jets have work to do, it will take some time.
Do you think Luck would have played the same against the Colts D as he did against the Jets D, and Fitz would have performed the same against the Jets D as he did against the Colts? If not, it doesn't really say anything about Fitz that he played better than Luck.
Luck made tons of questionable decisions on that field. He shouldn't have made that throw to Revis for the interception, and that scramble that David Harris forced, prob best to slide instead of taking the tackle. Fitz played better than Luck. Fitz was pretty decent on MNF, could've done better, but that's OK. After watching Geno Smith and his horrid performances, this should've been a breath of fresh air - but I guess people want to still complain about nothings. Talk to me when he throws 3 INTs.
I laugh at anyone can compare how Fitz looks in THIS offense to how Geno played in the offense the last 2 years. It is comparing apples to oranges. This offense has a different OC and Offensive Coaches, Brandon Marshall, a Healthy Decker (or did), NO CJ to take away from Ivory, and what seems to be a an o-line playing better. Geno has sucked ass the last 2 years. Fitz has not played well the last 2 weeks, regardless of what the "stats" say and he is not the reason we won either week. If Geno was our starter we would still be 2 and 0 right now. That being said, if the Jets keep winning in spite of Fitz you are not pulling him. If his play does not improve and the Jets lose a couple in a row, we need to see what Geno can do in this offense.
the difference is 2 years is more then enough to show he has not developed and has made the same mistakes over and over again. 31 games is what a Russell got before he was benched for stinking up the place. What makes you or anyone else think he should have more chances barring an injury?We don't have allot tied to him a second pick other then fans belief he will produce when contrary to all evidence when applied would point to a different conclusion
Are you arguing Fitzpatrick hasn't historically been a QB who you had to worry about turning the ball over? If your argument is based on the fact that he hasn't thrown three yet this year, either has Geno. Neither is a strong argument. I never intimidated I'd rather have Geno starting, just that what I saw Monday didn't give me the warm and fuzzies. Ask the Bills how that 4-2 start in 2011 that got Fitzpatrick a $60 million extension turned out.
History means nothing right now, we are trying to win games in 2015! This is Ryan Fitzpatrick playing with the most talented offense he's ever had. What happened in 2011, doesn't matter now. None of these QBs make the fanbase feel completely comfortable, but right now - Fitz ain't doing too bad.
