Jets plan to franchise tag Marcus Maye (TAGGED!)

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  1. NCJetsfan

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  2. major33

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    I don't mind signing Maye long-term at a reasonable price. It really is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things since Saleh can find a creative way to use him more under his system. Saleh is very creative, and if we were to give Maye that contract, he would find a way to incorporate his skillset into what he wants to accomplish.

    However, your assessment of our group of LBs is flawed. Saleh likes what I like. Fast hard-hitting tackling linebackers. He is about speed upfront. Actually his entire defense revolves around quickness. Therefore, we need a serious upgrade at LB and Edge before moving onto the secondary. The guys stated do not fit the bill.

    We need to worry about other positions before WR. I seriously doubt we spend huge money on a WR in F/A. That's just like blowing money on Bell without an O-Line. Plenty of talented WRs in the draft.

    Money has to be prioritized to fit our new coaching system. O-Line first, then defense. WR and FS are the least important things we should be focusing on right now.
     
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    If you think Ashton Davis and Bryce Hall are going to get replaced in this draft I’m telling now it’s not going to happen, they are on rookie contracts and JD is not going to waste last years draft picks because Saleh wants what he wants.

    I want all pro players at every position but it’s not 1985 anymore, and even if my assessment of the Linebackers is wrong, again, give me your blueprint and who you would sign and draft and keep on the Jets roster from players Jets have and have drafted.

    I’m going on record and saying, Zuniga is going to be given a chance to play, Mosley is still on the hook for big money, I don’t see JD just letting him walk away and putting that kind of cap hit against Jets so he’s going to have a roster spot.

    Guidry was an UFA who played well in the games he started, 3 forced fumbles and made his presence known, he also has 4.29 speed, which is exactly what you want in a CB.

    I agree offensive line, especially guard situation needs to be fixed but it’s not madden football where you can just discard all your players and start over from scratch in one season.

    I honestly want to know who would you keep and who would you replace at this juncture.
     
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  4. Jonathan_Vilma

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    If we let Maye go, we just have to replace him. It'll be worth the extra $4 million per year and sends a good message to the locker room about being home grown.

    He's not a speed demon or ball hawk so I doubt we see a massive skill downgrade over the first couple years of his contract anyways and contracts usually make players cuttable after year three without much dead cap.

    Our safety situation is hurt badly if he is not on the team because Davis looked lost last year. Not to say he can't be a good player, but he wasn't last year.
     
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    Hall had 1st round draft grade until he got injured, he showed he had good instinct and played well for Jets in man to man coverage.

    I agree about Austin,Maulet. Guidry on the other hand I would take a long look at, he has 4.29 speed and now that Jets will be playing Cover 3 most of the time his speed might come in very handy.

    I have no problems with JD improving positions through draft or FA but he has said many times he doesn’t believe in buying a team, in my eyes I don’t think he’s going to simply get rid of his young players on their first contract, who knows, these guys might make a huge jump if Jets can draft or sign a guy who can get to the QB.
     
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    I agree, in defense of Davis, I don’t think he was supposed to get that much playing time, however if he has not improved from last year then I’ll be first one to say he needs to be replaced and simply used in special teams or backup, being inserted into that type of starting role as a 3rd round pick is a lot to handle.
     
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    I agree, Red, that they have some good, inexpensive talent in the secondary.

    As far as LB, Luvu, Basham, and Hewitt are not on the roster or soon won't be unless they are re-signed . They're all FAs. LB is definitely a big question mark. Who knows what Mosely will be like after not playing for almost 2 years? Cashman has good speed, but is on the small side, and can't stay healthy.

    I totally agree that the offense needs most of the help. The D is way ahead of the offense. They have at least 6-7 keepers (Q. Williams, Franklin-Myers, Mosely, Davis, Hall, Guidry and Huff). If they re-sign Poole, that's another. They may need to re-sign Hewitt because of the question mark regarding Mosely. I think JD will probably sign a FA LB (Jayon Brown, Tyus Bowser, or Nicholas Morrow). All three of those guys are very good in coverage. Matthew Judon is another possibility. I think he'll sign Richard Sherman or K'waun Williams at CB. Another possibility is Michael Davis. One thing is certain, there are a slew of cheap CBs who will be available in FA. JD could sign 2.

    I think JD will look to sign a veteran QB (CJ Beathard or Tyrod Taylor), WR (Robinson, Davis, Golladay or Samuel), Thuney or another OG (Forrest Lamp, Gabe Jackson, Jon Feliciano, John Miller), a DE (Shaq Barrett, Trey Hendrickson, Carl Lawson or Romeo Okwara), and a CB and LB as mentioned above. Aside from WR and Thuney and a veteran QB like Beathard, I'd rather most of the FA $s go to D, and most of the draft picks go to offense so they can being building chemistry and building around the QB. They can focus on drafting D next year.
     
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    Last day for tagging. Hope the Pats let Thuney go. That's number one for JD I think.
     
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    Yeah I agree. I think the plan was to bring some of these guys along more slowly (ala Green Bay) especially in a year that Douglas conceivably knew was going to be a down year. That's why I don't believe Clark was ever even activated.

    I also think that the defined roles on Gregg Williams defense are a bit confusing for young players especially on the backend. It's usually that way with heavy blitzing defenses and he used Maye in so many different ways that Davis' responsibilities were probably ever changing.

    I like all players coming from that Cal defense of the past couple years. Justin Wilcox is a good hard nosed football coach that's building something out there.
     
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    I'm not sure what team you've been watching but this is way off base. We don't have a true #1 WR, and big question marks at TE. As far as the defense goes, if they can add a legit pass rusher and a CB in FA and/or the draft, the "D" will be in way better shape than the "O". And in case you also mossed it, the NFL is now offense oriented. There is no way a defense can shut down a good offense in today's NFL. And before you mention this year's SB, keep in mind that KC was missing tow of their starting OL. And no, I'm not saying that defense isn't important, but for a team that has spent the bulk of its investment on defense for the past decade-plus, it's past time for them to try a different approach.
     
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    I don't think that FS is as irrelevant as you think it is. We'll have to disagree on that.

    I agree that Saleh wants speed on D, and the Jets will probably look to add a fast LB who can cover.

    I totally disagree with your assertion that we "need to worry about other positions before WR" and that "WR and FS are the least important things we should be focusing on right now." How do you expect Wilson or whomever our new QB is to succeed? I love Mims' potential, but he's hardly a developed sure thing. We basically have Crowder at the moment as the only reliable WR. We have no reliable TE. JD definitely needs to add a WR in FA (one of Golladay, Davis and Samuel) and one in the draft. He needs to add a TE either in the draft or FA. Griffin should be released and neither Herndon nor Wesco can be counted on.

    I think that JD HAS to sign both a starting OG and WR in FA. If not, then he might as well just roll with Sam because the offense will go nowhere. The rest of the FA $s should go to D imo, unless they decide they want to sign Jonnu Smith or Juszczyk at FB.
     
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    all indications is they will not tag him
     
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    He's going to command stupid money.
     
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    I never even mentioned Davis or Hall or Guidry, so I'm not sure why you would bring them up. My focus is squarely on the FRONT 7. I've been saying that over and over again. That is what Saleh will be focusing on before even thinking about the secondary. This is a completely different style of defense than what we've been accustomed to & he needs to get players in here who match his scheme. In his defense, you must have a quick hard-tackling front 7 that can get after the QB and also cover underneath routes. You need LB's who knock receivers off their timing.

    The question is, do we have players on defense aside from Quinnen who fit the profile of someone who Saleh would want in his front 7 since that is where everything begins. No, we don't. There is ok then there is a really good. Aside from Quinnen, we do not have anyone in the front 7 that is really good.

    Mosely has played 2 games over the past 2 seasons. That's a lot of time to miss, especially when you're expected to be a huge part of a Saleh type defense.

    I don't know what you're talking about with Madden football so I will leave that alone. I'm not looking to build Rome in one day, that is why I will not pay big money to a free agent WR. I will pay big money to the players that fit Saleh's front 7 system on defense and also O-Line. That is my focus this offseason. Maybe those players aren't available this season, maybe they are. I don't pretend to be a scout, but I know what Saleh is looking for.
     
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    I said there's plenty of quality WRs in the draft that will come much cheaper. Why do we need to pay big money to a F/A WR this offseason? Do you expect our rookie QB to lead us deep into the playoffs? Now, if were to trade for Watson, then yes, I can see us signing a big-time WR. But in all honesty, that would blow out our cap when we need to fill other positions first. We can get serviceable WRs in free agency or we can draft a potential stud. This season is just a bridge year to the following season. Unless you expect a 2-14 team to turn things around go 10-6 and make the playoffs. It seems like everyone expects that.
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised if we stayed away from free agent receivers and stick to trying to hit value in the second or third round again. Tons of talented receivers come out of draft deeper than in round one.

    Based on the prospects we're looking at it seems that team speed is the emphasis especially at skill positions.
     
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    Speed is something Samuel has and he can line up in various spots. I have a sneaky suspicion that the Giants will go hard after him because he was taken by Gettleman.
     
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    God, I do hope not.
     
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    Yup, Saleh is mostly about speed. And there are some very talented WRs that are really fast who will be around at #23 & #34. We could go O-Line and WR with those 2 picks, or maybe Edge. I love that WR out of Minnesota who will probably be around at #23. And most likely we will get at least a 2nd for Darnold. So many WRs and O-Line in that range.

    I just don't get the fascination of paying big money to a WR with a rookie QB when we can get someone cheap in the draft while filling tougher positions through free agency.
     

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