There are two QBs in this draft with high first round grades. The Jets need a QB, so I don't think trading up to draft one or the other is a bad idea. The Jets have a lot of capital in the form of roster players to use including Wilson and Sauce. These guys would probably relish a one way ticket out of NY anyway.
That’s a good point but I don’t see Glenn, a former CB, trading away Gardner. That would leave Garrett Wilson but damn someone has to catch passes and moving from 7 to 1 or 2 to select a rookie QB with no decent WRs is scary
That is absolutely your own little pipe dream you keep repeating over and over on every thread ad nauseam. There is less than zero evidence to that effect. The decision will not be made in a vacuum by the advisor. The fact that he went on record stating who the decision makers are completely escapes you.
He could state whatever he wants, when the scenario comes that he disagrees with Mougey, he’s winning the battle. For example, if Mougey wants to trade down and stockpile picks but Spielman really likes Cam Ward and thinks we should trade up, Spielman is winning with Woody every time. Woody hired Spielman as an “expert”.
I guess he can say whatever he wants, as you can state whatever you want, but how will really work remains to be seen. He is working remotely and help Mougey build the organization, also if the final decision is best for the Jets for a change, is an absolute win win, no matter how i
He was hired as advisor and Mooge is hired as a GM. The titles suggest Spielman will not be the final decision maker. Spielman also said so explicitly and described in great detail what he focus is. He will also be remote most of the time, while AG and Mooge will be next to Woody. At this point you simply concocted a story that helps you believe what you want to believe in spite of all evidence including people involved literally stating otherwise. "It's not a lie if you believe it."
Who knows how it will eventually shake out, right? But from the statements I’ve seen, it seemed like Spielman was going to focus more on the “operational” side of things and that AG and Mougey would have final say on decisions and he would be a sounding board for them as he does have years in the seat. That doesn’t seem so out of whack to me…how long have many on this site been saying something like “we need a VP of Football Operations” to run the show so Woody can shut up and back out. Well it sounds a bit like we have that now…of course, I’m not sure exactly what Spielman meant by “operational” side of things, but I assume it’s more around how the team is run as opposed to final roster decisions, or final draft decisions, or final free agent decisions, which are more typically set in the GM position. We’ll see I guess, but I don’t particularly have an issue with Spielman coming aboard as an advisor…shit, maybe it could even mean that he will run interference with Woody and be a voice in Woody’s ear so that Mougey and AG can do what they want to do…
It doesn't scare me. We've seen in Washington how hitting on the right QB can transform a team. Conversely, hitting on a great WR couldn't save Daniel Jones from the chopping block. You can always find pass catchers, getting it right at QB much harder.
Because Spielman hired Mougey. Spielman’s role was as an “expert”. During the interview process Woody worked side by side with Spielman on a daily basis. Woody is going to lean on Spielman anytime he questions a move, and if Spielman doesn’t agree with Mougey on a player or a move his opinion is going to hold alot of weight with Woody. The only reason you continue to employ Spielman for his expertise is if you don’t trust Mougey is ready. Spielman’s company reputation is on the line, so he’s here to make sure Mougey does what Spielman and co think is right. When he was in MIN he created a trio of authority between himself, his coach, and his VP of operations, with him having final say. My suspicion is he’s employed the same here between himself, Mougey and Glenn, but I believe Spielman will have the final say as Woody’s “expert”. Here’s a fun fact. Spielman tried to trade up for Justin Fields when he was drafted. How much you wanna bet we make a strong push to sign him this offseason?
We will make the push for Fields if we are smart, not because it validates your claim he is the final decision maker. Also, Spielman IS a voice in a room, no one is debating that, so, if he does like someone, yeah it is certainly reasonable that he will discuss with Mooge and AG and that person has a higher probability of being considered than a random one. But the bet makes no sense as it does not prove your final decision maker point at all.
that WR Tet McMillan, if were being honest, seems like the perfect complement to Garrett Wilson. 6'5 with a big frame and long strides. Better in the red zone than Wilson He could be like Tee Higgins to Wilson's Jamarr Chase style. Get a decent QB like Darnold or Fields, pair him up with those wideouts and Breece Hall in the backfield, we dont have to tank in 2025. It would be an entertaining team
Yeah…I really don’t understand all the angst about this honestly… I don’t care WHO has final say as long as the outcome is good. If this were someone with experience and a history of success at both the HC and the GM roles, then I’d say let them do their thing. But since both are first timers (yet again…thanks, Woody) it’s not like we can point to their long list of great moves in the past that could perhaps be hindered by a third voice in the room. This isn’t Bill Polian we’re bringing in for our GM role after all. Sure, if it were someone experienced, then they wouldn’t want or need a role like what Spielman is doing maybe, but Mooge is a first timer, so any help he can get I’m ok with. Shit, part of the motivation for Spielman may even be to help the guys he put in place in order to ensure their success as it would look good on his part to have them succeed. Honestly he could probably have given them that support offline anyway without actually being employed by the Jets, but I gotta believe that as they went through this process, and Spielman got a bit of a look under the covers as to how the Jets are running their shop, I’m guessing he saw a ton of crap that he said, Woody, you gotta fix this. And Woody said, ok, come fix it. Something like that… Anyway back to the discussion, as long as we start seeing smart moves and success, I don’t give a shit if those three guys get together on every single roster move and free agent signing and draft pick, as long as the results work. And then in a couple of years, if they DO end up working and we start winning, THEN we can worry about questions like, OK, WHO is really the brains behind all this success? WHO is the guy making the final calls that are leading to this success? I’m fine pushing that can down the road for now and lets see some success first and then we can quibble over who is really doing what…
I don’t have any angst, I’m just pointing out the reality. The GM we hired is not ready to be a GM on his own, at least that’s for sure how Woody and Spielman feel. So we’ve now hired the experts that were supposed to find us a great GM to now assist the unqualified GM they hired. If our GM had full the full confidence of ownership and the team that recommended him, there’d literally be no reason to keep Spielman onboard since the only thing Spielman can be is a potential dissenting opinion on matters. A confident and qualified GM makes the decisions. It stops at him. In our case it looks like Spielman has input as well. So then what? Who’s opinion matters? If it’s Mougey then why is Spielman here? If it’s Spielman, then the experts we hired didn’t really come through with a great pick, did they? It might actually work out great, who knows. I just find it very ironic and quite honesty par for the course when it comes to Woody. My bet is in 5 years we’ll be piling the Tannenbaum/Spielman efforts in the same laughable category as Casserly/Wolf and Korn/Ferry.
It's same exact structure as in Detroit. It's quite clear we follow similar model with many coaches from there too. I don't understand the confusion. Yes, there is a GM, there is a coach, there will be GM assistants hired too I am sure, and there is a senior advisor. Detroit did just fine with this model where Chris Spielman is serving in this role. There is no need for conspiracy theories especially when the guy literally described exactly what he will do, and explicitly mentioned he will not be the final decision maker, and won't even be in the building, working mostly remotely.
I get it. Like I said, I’d have hoped that a team hired to find us a great GM would have done so. Our guy needs his hand held.
I get the point, but with a GM it’s a bit harder as there aren’t typically too many GMs that have multiple spots…there are plenty of fired GMs but not a whole lot of them get 2nd gigs, so it’s harder to know who will be completely qualified and successful. The other way to go here could have been to hire a former GM, and we interviewed two of them, I think (Dimitroff from the Falcons and Robinson from the Titans?)…had we gone with a former GM, then yeah, I’m assuming either of those guys may not have wanted an “advisor” in the room to question their decisions. But we didn’t go the experienced route. We went with a rookie to the role. Again. So given that, I don’t really have any issue with bringing on an experienced guy to help, especially as the new rookie GM and HC get up to speed with the job. I think of it as a way to help ensure their success. We didn’t do that when we hired JD, or Mac, or Idzik, and maybe it would have been a good idea to do it then to help them learn the ropes a bit faster or easier. Who knows? I don’t think of it as “well a great GM wouldn’t need it” really…because unless you hire a guy who’s done it before and done it very well (and really who comes to mind there? Polian for sure. Parcells as well. But neither guy was available), you will NEVER know that “we hired a great GM” until he’s in the role for a while and has success. The only other real option along that thought track would have been to go with Dimitroff or Robinson, maybe a couple other former GMs may have been interested, I don’t know…but yeah had we hired them, then I’d say, ok do you think we hired a “great GM”? And if so, then yeah we shouldn’t need an advisor. And honestly I would have been happy with Dimitroff…dude had success with the Falcons…but Woody did what Woody does…hire nubies and hope they succeed but more likely they don’t Jets gonna Jet
Not necessarily. He is a first time GM paired with first time HC. It's good business to have someone experienced in the room as a sounding board. Especially after it worked well in Detroit, which is the franchise they are modeling now.
