Jets' next QB = Brady Quinn

Oregon feasted upon the Pac-10 who outside of UCLA, USC and Cali(They werent as good as this year's team despite Rodgers and Lynch) so we would have to say the same thing about Clemens.

Quinn faced the teams that were put on his schedule and dominated most of them for the most part like any QB should. I dont know if you can put that on his shoulders about the schedule he got. As for not playing great his senior year vs LSU, USC or MICH the team again is overmatched in talent outside in a few areas. The Defense was very suspect, especially the pass defense so Henne, Booty and Russell all had their ways vs them. The team was overpowered, not so much Quinn alone.

But Quinn had some big wins in his junior year like Michigan(Down year for them but still had that stud defense and some NFL prospects), Tenn.(Same with them as Michigan except with the NFL prospect part) and he SHOULD have beat USC if it wasnt for the defense letting Jarrett run and get that ball on 4th and long, even though that Leinart sneak in the endzone was done through an illegal push by Reggie Bush but oh well. :sad:

 

I wasn't commenting on Clemens college career. I'm more concerned about his NFL showings at this point.

I watched quite a few of his games against both good and bad teams. When he faced good teams he looked mediocre at best, but usually quite bad. This is why I don't believe he'd do well against NFL competition. Sure he dominated a bunch of shitty teams, but that doesn't impress me at all. Who cares, it's not like we play the dolphins 16 times a year.

I admittedly didn't watch too much of him his Jr. year so I can't really comment on this.

 

Here we go again with a QB trade move that IS THE LAST THING WE NEED. NO,NO,NO, but HELL NO. Lets get Clevelands OL instead

 

I think that the only players not mentioned to be traded are Washington and Mangold. Panic Panic Panic

 

i know this will never happen but pennington for quinn? pennington would be the best backup and im sure clevlend whould want a good veteren

 

NO He is not very very good. He fell for a reason. He was never that accurate of a QB. Yeah I loved the drive against USC a couple years ago in the fourht quater but that was the only time I saw him step up and really do anything a very very good QB should do often. He really isn't that good don't fall for the bullshit I watched him every game.

 

So, let's discredit the Notre Dame fan, shall we? ...Way to use your resources there.

If the guy is a big fan, and doesn't feel Quinn is good, then we should take his word for it.

The big schools that have "better talent" are the ones with talent closest to NFL levels, so if you don't perform against those upper tier college teams, you are going to be a whiney little prick in the NFL as well.

I don't feel like trading a pick who would be a good fit and need (we got Harris way later in the 2nd than this pick would be) for competition for Kellen. The only things we need to give KC is a backup if Penny leaves, O-Line help, and a WR. If we trade Vilma for anything, it should be for more draft picks.

Once again, I URGE you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6M9fIincgM

Watch this, like a real talent evaluator, instead of just looking at where he should have been taken in the draft, who was in his draft class, if he has 'personality' or not. You'll notice a bunch of hanging onto the ball, throwing inaccurate throws with good protection, and lack of skill on the run. A few legit sacks, but still, the kid had no poise in big games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPa2JuvTLqg&feature=related

A highlight here, a few good to excellent throws, especially under pressure. But the NFL D Ends would likely capitalize on these opportunities. Also, a lot of the completed passes are actually pretty spectacular catches.

 

Jay Cutler never beat up his powerful SEC comp but was still highly regarded and considered to have tremendous upside in Denver.

 

Once again, he fell because not many teams in the draft really needed a QB of the future considering most teams in the NFL have one.

He has had great performances tons of times, I dont know what Notre Dame team you were watching.

 

Im a Notre Dame fan who is completely unbiased and I think Quinn is a great talent and going to be an upcoming stud QB. Sadly, he didnt get that much help at ND so he couldent get some major wins in his college career.

And breaking his game down through youtube is silly.......Thats just a few selective plays shown. And your acting like he can never change his mechanics in the next level.

EDIT: LMAO, that 1st youtube video you showed is from one entire game vs Michigan......That D had Lemarr Woodley, Shawn Crable(He will go in round 2 this year probably), Alan Branch, Leon Hall and our own David Harris.......Thats a beast of a defense. He had one off day vs an absolute elite defense with NFL caliber players and he is not good? Thats isnt fair....

 

Please, Quinn doesn't have anything near the tools Cutler has.

 

Whats this based off of?

 

That's my opinion based on watching both of them play.

 

I just brought up Cutler as an example as to not looking too much at QBs who dont play well vs big comp or have great winning records at QB

Trent Edwards is another example of a guy who played with a team who didnt beat the big teams over at Stanford. But hes look great thus far.

 

Fair enough. Cutler is a guy that has a monster arm, puts the ball in tight spots, has very good pocket presence and plays well under pressure situations. If I could say even one of those things about Quinn I might not be so anti-quinn, but I can't.

Quinn is a guy I saw hit some pretty damn good receivers getting wide open against piss poor competition with little or no pressure. All lot of his TD passes he just tossed up for samarjia (sp) to go up and get. When he did have pressure or his receivers had less separation, he wasn't too good at all. These are the types of situations he will have to deal with in the NFL more often than not. The ones he does well in you don't see often.

Again, I didn't see him play in his jr. year so maybe I missed some good things from him. There was never a time I was watching Quinn and said "wow". I'm not impressed by him at all.

 

I was hoping my post would ellicit better than naming the Michigan D.

But, did you watch both of them? I critiqued them both. Michigans D might have been nasty, but every NFL defense has elite speed. I don't care what's not fair. If the fastest are too fast, then get the hell out.

I guess Samardiza and Darius Walker were just awful athletes.

Instead of getting help for OUR team, lets throw a first day pick or a stud MLB for some guy that can change his mechanics and be good. It's just impossible for Kellen to change his mechanics, I keep forgetting.

 

Quinn played well under pressure situations, but he got rattled at times because he kept getting sacked after poor pass blocking.

He didnt have much at receiving either....At least not IMO.

 

Your just judging on his college game though, you dont think hes capable of getting better at the next level which I think your wrong at. Michigan is an NFL ready Defense but I cant say the players he played at ND are of NFL level.

Walker went undrafted and Sharky's heart was never with football and decided to play for the Cubs minor league team. Again not too much help.


and I never bashed Clemens, I support the guy.

 

No college defense is an NFL ready defense. Some players might be capable of starting for teams, but college isn't the same as the NFL. The game is much faster.