Quinn >>> Ryan Ryan has to be one of the single most overrated QB prospects I've seen in a long time (slight exaggeration I guess). Lets see...Ryan doesn't have as good an arm...was and is more INT prone...doesn't throw as tight a spiral... Now I sound like I actually want Quinn... Anyway, Ryan was better when he was a second round prospect. He's a guy who needs time in the gym as well as the usual young QB precautions (O-line, running game, TE or WR to go to).
Pedigree? Is he a dog? I don't care.... 100+ tackles every year he hasn't been hurt, decent in coverage. Tedy Bruschi, a pretty good ILB on a 3-4 team with an AWESOME D-line has very comparable numbers. LOL, but KC is the exception to this rule? Let's throw draft picks toward some guy because he got recruited to play at Notre Dame Too much value for an unproven player, rather draft help on the lines than Notre Dame competition for KC Yep, so leave Clemens alone and either keep Pennington around to tutor or bring in someone else who has been around. Never said they were.
Agree on all counts. No QB in this draft is worth a look. The teams in need of a QB are SOL. Besides, if KC is as bad as everyone is thinking now, we'll be in the running for Tebow come Draft '09, should he choose to leave early. But me might not because, "Durrrrr, i luv beng a Gater"
I have just one question about this fantasy scenario as well. Why would the Browns even consider trading Quinn? They have him locked up for 5 years, His chances of actually hitting his escalators are slim to none and that keeps his salary very cap managable, and keeps them with a quality back up that can become thier starter after learning the offense for a 2 to 3 years behind Anderson. It's more of a win win for them to keep him than deal him. So, someone please tell me how trading him is a priority for a team that is most likely going to play in the playoffs? Somewhere, I just don't see it. Not to mention, they would trade him to us for Vilma and what? Since they traded into the first round to get him, they are going to want at least a first rounder for him and a player NOT coming off a major injury and surgery or another first day pick, considering Quinn is a better QB propect than any QB coming out this year. Ellis
If it's Vilma for Quinn, I'd take it. I'd rather trade a pick for Quinn. Depending on where our pick is and where Cleveland's pick is, what about just a swap of first rounders and Quinn. I think Quinn is without a doubt a better prospect than every QB in this year's draft, hands down.
Cleveland doesn't have a first rounder this year... they traded it to Dallas Last year to get Quinn... this is a Fantasy or Madden trade that someone here wants to dream up, because they think he will be the savior
The saviour has not been born yet! The prophecy says that green lights will adorn the northern sky and Miami will sink beneath the waves for good on the day of his birth! Edit: yeah, it's seasonal depression and 3-11 at work here...
Right, forgot about that...thanks I don't think it's that bad of an idea. I like Vilma a lot, but he doesn't fit the system and we're not going back now. Ideally I'd like to keep him, but if it can get us a franchise QB, then why not? The whole argument here is really do you think Quinn is as good as he was advertised to be? I think he is, and so do a lot of people. You and others think he's not. I'm not sure who's right, but this is far from a "Madden trade". I like Clemens, and I'm still not sure what to make of him as the future of this team, but bring in Quinn and you can keep both of them, or you can then trade Clemens to a team that's looking for a QB (i.e. Minnesota who was in love with him at the draft).
No no no... I never said he's not good... I think Cleveland would be flat out stupid to trade him. He's locked up for 5 years with a managable cap #. He's not going to hit the field unless Anderson get hurt. QB is the MOST IMPORTANT position on the field. They would have to be blown away by a trade to even consider moving him. Vilma doesn't even fall in the relm of blown away... not even a stiff breeze.
You haven't seen him play much I guess. Not a good arm????? Hes not the next John Elway , but hes a very good prospect . I'm not going to get wrapped up in why I would want Ryan instead of Quinn , because I don't want either , I want to keep Vilma. Just want to know your rationale , why do all the 'experts' rate him so highly then? Theres a ton we won't ever agree on. Crackers
And for the record... my view is Quinn is head and shoulders above any and all QB prospects that will or can be drafted from this draft in terms of being an NFL ready QB.
Why do people always run to the "you haven't seen him much?" thing when someone disagrees. I just don't think he's the top 10 pick he's made out to be, and I liked him better when he was a second rounder. Good QB, but overrated IMO. Still too INT prone, will need NFL strength training to put on weight (I think this will help his arm strength ala Brady and Romo), and basically will be considered more ready than he actually is. Vilma's value to us as a franchise is at an all time low, which is about the only reason to not trade him. He doesn't fit the defense, and his leadership was always overblown...look how quickly Harris has made himself a leader. Because they bought his stock while it was at its highest. I realize this can be said about someone like Cutler, but at least Cutler faced top competition, was less INT prone as a senior, and was way more physically gifted.
I am a big ND fan and I watched him in almost every game. I don't know how he tricked people into thinking he was a really good QB cause he really isn't. I would much rather stick with Clemens and develop him. Give him another chance next year and if he isn't the answer then next year we start looking but for now we need to support him and have faith he will develop
I agree, but we've been doing this far to long. If we need to give some people up for players that are proven and capable of improving our team go for it. I don't want to go through another questionable season just for the sake of research, I want to win, and I want to win now!
