I'm not a big fan of playing for a draft pick. Also, whos to say we'll be the ones to get Quinn? Or that he won't get injured? Or that he might be a bust?
If the team wants Cutler, they would be wise to stay at #4 and take him. There's a good chance someone else will trade up to get him, if we trade down.
And you know what 95 % of the time I'd agree with you on this point. But, we aren't just rebuilding the offensive backfield. We are rebuilding the entire offense, from the line out. In order to speed up the development of out team over all, I truly believe it's more advantageous to build the running game and the o-line first, especially since it's an entire new system. This draft needs to be more focused on that. We honestly aren't going to be competitive in a lot of games this year. We will be lucky to win 3 games. The year after, we sign a FA QB to play in front of Quinn, allowing him to learn the offense. Do you peopel honestly believe this is a 1 or 2 year fix? Your crazy. It's going to take 3 year to get this ship in the right direction. This draft is a prime opprotunity to build the team's depth, front lien a running game, and at the same time dealing with the cap, by taking the hits NOW... Next year, fresh out of cap hell we'd be able to sign a FA QB and some young athletes to plug in on Defense and the remainder of the draft would be BPA. 2008 would be the year we jump out, and start to show what's been built, abnd a serious contender in 2009. I KNOW a QB is a big piece, but these 3 just don't impress as much as they should to be relied on as a "Franchise QB" Ellis
Ellis, I'm with you on this one. Build up the O-Line and get a RB this year. This would allow the Jets to at least have the pieces for a rookie QB (such as Quinn) the pieces around him to have a chance to succeed. The current state of this offense give no rookie QB the chance to succeed here.
You've made some good points here. I think we need to do some serious work on the Oline. As far as the RBs go, we have a couple of young fellas in house (Houston and Askew) who I feel deserve a chance to show what they have to offer.
I don't like it either, but it's a fact of rebuilding. You won't be very good when rebuilding... This is one of those years. Ask San Fran ('04) and Tennessee ('05)... the teams who bit the bullet with the cap, and ended up right where they needed to be to get the FRANCHISE QB that fit them best. Ellis
I keep seeing Quinn's name. It seems to me that people love this guy and they are looking for ways for him to end up on the Jets. I don't think its something you can count on. And I won't be rooting for us to be 2-14 just so we can get him.
As for Quinn, I think he'd be in the top 3 QB's this year, in front of Cutler if he was coming out now... I'm not rooting for 2-14 either but to expect to be any better than 4-12 next year is delusional, especially with all the turnover in the roster, the mass cuts we'll be making, the change in coaching staff, and the new systems on both sides of the ball. We are rebuilding... time to face it.. Ellkis
You are right about that, however you can't count on Quinn being the only franchise QB that will be out there. How much did anyone hear about Jay Cutler (who I personally fell is overhyped) a year ago? Even if the Jets aren't bad enough to be in position to make a run at Quinn (and I think they will be quite bad), there will be other talented QB's such as a Drew Stanton or Sam Keller. I'd probably agree with you more if I thought Leinart would fall to 4 (he won't) or if I was more sold on Young and Cutler.
If we need to bite the bullet, we need to bite the bullet, but not just to focus on one guy in the '07 draft. Like I said, what if he gets injured or gets picked by someone else?
To be honest with you, I think that all three are gambles for different reasons. But I like Cutler's physical tools.
I agree with you Ellis as well, O-Line, Running game and D. There are a lot of guys available in teh grand scheme of things. i dont know that they are all franchise guys, but they will suffice until the franchise guy comes around. There are going to be a lot of Free Agent QBs that can step in and play while Croyle or Whitehurst or Cutler or one of these other QBs learns the system. Ramsey, Harrington, Volek, Brooks, all want to play, all can to some extent and probably all plus some will be available relatively cheaply this year. I dont want us to use the 4th spot on a QB when we can use it to build a solid foundation to support a QB for years to come.
I feel like the above, (I shortened you repsonse for editing purposes), and the reason you hear so much Quinn right now, is because he's far and away the leading QB returning to his school at present, that combined with the fact that he's playing for a great offensive mind in Charlie Weiss, the same Weiss who taught the playbook to Tom Brady, and look where that's taken Tom. He's head and shoulders above the rest of the QB's going into next year, and is at present the Heisman leader. Ellis
What QB prospect was this? ANALYSIS Positives: Has athletic frame with good muscle definition … Possesses the size, strength, speed, body control and change-of-direction agility that are needed for this position … Displays good mental and physical toughness, showing good work habits on the field and in the weight room … Quick in his setup, getting a good push away from the line of scrimmage in his drops … Puts good velocity and zip behind his tosses … Has a good touch, knowing when to take some velocity off on dump-offs and can drop it over the top … Poised in the pocket, displaying a good feel for the pass rush … Mobile in the pocket, showing the ability to sidestep pass rushers to buy time … Has the speed needed to scramble, possessing a fluid medium stride heading upfield … Has worked hard to develop a more compact delivery, while improving his footwork and accuracy. Negatives: Slow to develop before 2002, as he worked with several different offensive coordinators during his career … Has spent the last year having his mechanics overhauled, but still needs to reduce his big, elongated delivery … Throws into coverage a bit and needs to show better consistency reading defenses … Does not always follow through with his release, showing a long throwing arc … Makes receivers adjust to the ball too often and needs to do a better job of hitting his targets in stride … Pats the ball at times to trigger his throwing motion … Spent time recently working with the coaching staff to keep his arm still (tends to stick out his left arm through his delivery) … Does not always square up when rolling out, showing inconsistent footwork, which causes him to lose a little accuracy … Has just adequate agility in the pocket, but does run well once he breaks out … Has trouble reading defenses at times, staying on his primary targets too long … Needs to secure the ball better before running, as he has had fumble problems in the past.
This would be Carson Palmer. Would this be a suggestion that you want to see what his younger brother at UTEP can do in his senior year?
I honestly don't know... I'd have to go back and check out QB's... when did he enter the draft might help... that could be anyone. Ellis
