Didn't want much Ravens football this year, I didn't know he could play all of those positions wow. http://walterfootball.com/combine2016rumors_tony.php Tony Pauline I think he has some credibility for sure, usually up to date on the draft. I've seen his name tied to the Jets everywhere, I wonder if we have an actual shot at him. He looks to be getting some major attention.
I'd LOVE for us to be able to sign him, but unless we trade Mo, I don't see any way possible that could happen. He will cost too much for our cap.
Nothing worse than when you roster is thin and you're forced to watch a guy like him. Tough to win games
If Mo signs the deal, then the cap hit will be drastically reduced, allowing us to sign some of players they are targeting. Wilk is going to "test" where his market value would be, and potentially bring that knowledge back to the table with the Jets. This could bring the Jets and Mo closer together, or come to terms with a trade. Doesn't have to be a trade.
Getting a versatile guy like osemele, then an OT like Conklin or spriggs in 1st round? I'd be psyched for that line. But even if we went a different direction round 1, let qvale, winters and harrison compete for the last spot, and put osemele at either RG or RT.
I'm hoping we can "shave" brick down at least $5 million if not $6 or $7 million. With Osemele having played LT this past season, his value could skyrocket. If we could sign him for $2-$3 million, that would be awesome, but I fear that's a pipe dream.
You're right. That would be great, but I don't hold out much hope for that. The only way I see that happening is if other clubs let Mo's agents know that they are severely overvaluing his worth and bring them (Mo and his agents) all back down to earth.
remember, Brick's salary is around 9M this season. the rest of his cap hit is dead money....sunk cost paid in past years. so i don't think he'd accept a pay cut down to less than 4M.. even avg LT's get over 7M on the market. likewise Osemele will make a good 8M. i like that he played a little LT this season, albeit an emergency situation. His best position is still G, but i'm thinking his skillset can translate to RT. if the coaches and scouts feel that way too, then you might be right about his value going even higher.
I think that's the reason they applied for that specific type of Franchise Tag. This could bring the sides closer together, or it will end the negotiations all together and the team that wants to offer Mo that contract, they can work out a trade. We won't get a first more than likely, but maybe a 2nd and 4th or something. Regardless, the games end now for the Jets and they want to get this deal one way or the other. I've seen people have some outrageous exceptions for a Mo trade including a trade to San Fran for their first rounder. We won't be getting a first rounder period.
Sometimes, this is why I wish the draft was before FA. If we could get Conklin and pair him up with Osemele, the Jets would cut Brick all together. I like the idea of getting Osemele for sure. Conklin as the LT and Osemele as the RT for now and could go back into guard when we find another RT. Flacco just got a deal done, so the Ravens are going to look to retain Osemele's services. We shall see.
Good point. Thanks. It was late, and obviously I subtracted the $5 million from the $14 million cap figure rather than his $9 million salary. Thinking about it however, Brick's play is below average imo. $4 million is probably too low, but it just seems criminal to pay him even that much, much less an additional million or two for his level of play. That's a LOT of money and is absurd for his poor level of play. Considering how he's already been overpaid (and perhaps grossly overpaid) for his past performance, and for the level of play he will have this coming season, I think he should consider himself lucky to be offered $4 million for the upcoming season. If he wouldn't accept that, then I'd want the Jets to cut him, then they could pay Osemele more. Speaking of Osemele, do you really think he will make $8 million just because he played a few games at LT this past season? If so, imo that shows how nuts things are in the NFL. He didn't even make $2 million last season. I agree that RG is his best position, but also agree that he probably would do well at RT. He is unproven at RT however, so I would think they could get him for maybe $4 million or $5 million for the first season, and if his play achieves a certain level, then there could be escalators that would kick it up to the $7-$8 million range next season. Does that sound reasonable?
Yeah, I understand. The only problem with the draft before FA is then GMs would have to draft for need rather than signing second tier FAs to address need, and then drafting for BPA, I think it would hurt teams more and would also hurt those second tier FAs, as there could be less demand for their services. The one exception would be where teams had a desperate need at a position and were unable to draft a player they liked at that position, they'd then have no leverage with FAs and could get raped by agents. I think it's definitely better in the order it is. I've never seen Conklin play, but in general, I'm not very high on players from that conference any more. The quality of player has dropped from where it used to be. I also don't like his attitude. He sounds too cocky to me. I'd prefer Spriggs and maybe even LeRaven Clarke. I suspect that Conklin is probably better than either Spriggs or Clarke at this point, but I think the latter two have more athleticism and higher ceilings, but I could be wrong.
I get your point, but just making the scenario easier for the Jets in terms of fixing the O-Line. I don't care much about FA to be honest. I look at the teams that always spend big in FA and nothing really comes out of it. Dolphins, Bucs big time spenders in FA in the past few seasons. Conklin will be a LT right out of the game. Doesn't have the great athleticism like Spriggs, but he rarely got beat in college. He's got great technique and while he won't have the highest potential, he has the highest floor in comparison to Spriggs and Clark. Big 10 is a very good conference and it produces good NFL players., I'll have to disagree with that. From Penn State and linebacker U to Michigan State producing players like L. Bell, K. Cousins and the upcoming RB Langford. Even Iowa takes players that weren't greatly recruited and end of being good NFL players. Conklin [just like Connor Cook], I don't buy much into their attitude issues. Both are very much gym rats that want to be successful. Both very cocky, and I guess that's just how MSU does things. They got some good prospects and they are taught very well by their HC.
Regarding FA, I think it's best used when one just adds young, cheap second tier FAs to address needs and depth. In an ideal world, one would draft so well one would never need to be a player in FA. GB rarely does. Still, no matter how good one's GM is, some picks aren't going to pan out, so there is a need for FA. I agree with your comments regarding Conklin, Spriggs and Clark. I also agree that the Big 10 is still a very good conference and it produces good NFL players, I wasn't saying that it wasn't at all. It's just not the best conference with the greatest players any more. For a long time imo, the Big Ten conference was the best collegiate football conference and had the best players. The Pac 10 challenged them on occasion but that was about it. Now the SE Conference is the top dog and gets most of the best players. Also, I think players spread out more and don't have the same old conference and school allegiances. Heck even Duke is getting some very good players now. So are schools like Texas Tech, and Louisville, and Utah. Attitude is key for me. It can influence their willingness to change, learn and grow, their contract negotiations (over valuing themselves), and can cause problems in the locker room.
Oh yeah I absolutely agree, there are good prospects all over the country nowadays. It used to be all Big 10 and SEC. Pac 10 is producing good players, same with the ACC. Hell even the MAC gets some love every now and then. Maybe it's all about the program and what they are teaching these players. Duke has very good coaching that appears to help get players ready for the next level, same with MSU, and even Oregon despite the spread offense as they are adding pro style concepts to their offense It's def a good thing for the league. These next 2 years, gotta get younger on the line though no doubt about it.
