the steelers traded away a 1st rounder plus plus for S fitzpatrick. The cowboys offered a 1st round plus plus to the jets for adams, we declined. both are top tier safeties. last year clowney got traded for a 3rd rounder and 2 decent players, dee ford got traded for a 2nd rounder, clark got traded for a 1st and a future 2nd and many thought he over paid. cowboys offered the same thing clark got and more then clowney and more then ford and all 5 players listed are top of their position. So clearly recent history shows GMs value S as much as if not more then edge rushers
um, you are just cherry picking examples for funsies I can do that too! the bears traded a zillion 1st rounders for OLB Khalil Mack the rams traded 2 first rounders for CB Jalen Ramsey The Seahawks sent a 5th rounder for S Quandre Diggs. clearly, recent history shows OLB & CB are way more important than Safety right? SMH
fixed. Honestly, i think most well run teams have their own formula, depending on their philosophy, but as an example i think the following is roughly true for most QB LT (some teams might slot in other skill like RB, WR; somewhere around here depending -- eg some teams like RB by committee, or depth with good WR rather than focusing on one stud) RT Interior Lineman TE FB DE/DT (used to be DE but i think some teams like to be strong up the middle so DT has elevated, helped in part with guys like Donald) OLB/CB (generally, not universally -- some teams value a shut down corner; others feel it's not worth the money because you spend so much on them and the opponent can just run 3-4 wide negating that advantage to a large degree, in which case they slot lower ) ILB (some teams value this higher) Safeties, though this could flip with ILB Special Teams As i mentioned in another thread, legend has it that when Belichek interviewed for the Browns(!) he had a book detailing all of these thought along with an actual $$ amount value on players and how those roles would be filled I suspect that is still the case because the Pats routinely let their offensive line go in FA, apparently feeling they can get commensurate skill through drafting and development at a lower price, than paying the guy they already knows works well in their system
And some of those players are under contract, and others can be FAs who walk Most good teams build from the inside out and there's sound logic for that 1) Having effective lines makes everyone else's job easier, 2) They tend to have longer careers too, yielding stability 3) if you draft a sexy RB behind a crap line, that guys career may be over before he has a chance to even be effective (e.g., Bell in the current situation); you establish the line first it's a different story (e.g., Colts right now without the sexy RB)
khalil mack trade was was less then 2 1st rounders. it was 2 1sts a 3rd and a 6th but they also got back a 2nd and a 5th so they traded 2 1sts but also got to move up from a 3rd to a 2nd and a 6th to a 5th. so less then 2 1sts the rams traded 2 1sts for ramsey only further proves my point. ramsey got more then mack. in other words secondary value is still higher then edge rusher value. quandre diggs is an odd outlier and not sure why the lions gave him away but the fact his contract was under 7 mil a year and everyone else mentioned here is making 10-17 mil a year shows the skill gap. all you did was further prove my point that the secondary is just as important as LBers or edge rushers to NFL GMs Secondary S fitzpatrick 1st round plus plus S adams 1st round plus offered and declined CB ramsey 2 1st round Edge Ford 2nd round clark 1st round and 2nd round Mack 2 1st rounds minus minus across the board ramsey was worth more then mack, fitzpatrck was worth more then ford, and adams was worth more then clark
Right and Fitzpatrick is under control for two years while the players you just brought up all required new contracts. There's obviously less of a premium put on players when they need a new contract unless they're really spectacular. Most of the NFL world didn't love the Steelers trade for Fitzpatrick given what was given up especially with the state of the team and having more pressing needs than safety.
most premium players won't be traded unless the team guarantees they sign long term. not always the case but more often then not. khalil mack is a perfect example. the bears wouldn't have given up that much without him committing to the team long term.
So answer this. Why do defensive ends make way more money on average thanks safeties if the NFL values the positions all the same?
the point was top players command top value regardless of position on the defense. which you only proved. I have 2 examples of top safeties, 1 example of a top CB, and 4 examples of top edge rushers. all 7 trades were pretty similar in value with the exception of edge rusher ford who was quite a bit lower then the rest as he didn't net a 1st. then the 8th example was the fact we turned down a 1st round plus for adams another safety.
there are a lot of extra variables with trades that make them bad examples to use. The best example for how teams value positions is to look at the draft and how many positions end up 1st round picks, etc. If GasedandConfused wasn't well, confused, he would argue that Jamal Adams plays a hybrid position. he's valuable because he will cover a receiver like a cornerback (a more important position), or stop the run like a linebacker (a more important position), etc. etc... there's no need to make up falsehoods about the safety position as a whole. Clearly safety is a less important position as anyone who knows anything about football would already know
because that's how the NFL economics work. there have been more elite edge rushers in the NFL to pump up the contracts then there have been safeties. If that is your argument you need to learn how NFL salaries work first because then you wouldn't make that argument. If that's the case i guess trumaine johnson is an elite CB right now LMAO
That and salaries!! We're in a salary capped league so teams have to be judicious. How they actually spend can be very indicative (big fn: is you can always draft for cheaper salaries, and if you think you can continue to replenish your position that way you will save big money)
please learn NFL economics. that's now how it works. Everything goes up for inflation. the more elite players getting new deals always want to be the top paid and it slowly raises up the value as a starting point. The more players at a position to get bigger contracts, the more it goes up. The supply in the NFL for elite players is always limited regardless of position. There is never a surplus of elite players to bring down prices.
Don’t look at what a player was traded for, there are too many variables involved with why a player got traded and to where. Look at what they are getting paid. The top safety is not getting the same dollars the top corner or edge is getting.
