If it takes an "exceptional" coach just to make a player average, if such a thing is even possible, then you really have to question how good the player is. I wouldn't bitch about Sanchez if he was even close to average in even one measurable and meaningful category. But the fact that after 4 seasons he ranks dead last or next to dead last among all active QB's in the stat categories that matter means guess what, he's among the worst QB's in the league. He's that the bottom in Completion percentage, at the bottom in interception percentage, at the bottom in yards per attempt, at the bottom in TD% at the bottom in fumbles. and by bottom I mean at best 1 or 2 players under him. he's dismal. That doesn't mean the light will never turn on, but for every QB that the light turns on for at age 30 there are a dozen that clicked on. I've watched Sanchez over the past 4 years, and I've seen ALOT of QB's over the past 40 years that I've been watching football, you can see the plus side of guys or things they can do well and say "this guy may have it at some point". But with Sanchez I've never really seen that. You can teach footwork, but you can't teach anticipation, judgment and leadership. I will say this, if Sanchez is ever going to become at least average it will have to be somewhere else, nearly every QB that had the light turn on did it on their 3rd or 4th team and only after riding the pine for a good amount of time. And aside from the recent spat of QB's that hit the ground running...there have always been some QB's that played well from the start, some that were slow to start, and many many more that never got it. I gave Sanchez 3 years before I started saying that's it. I said at the beginning of this season that it was Sanchez's make or break season. And while people bemoan that "this was Sanchez's worst year" it really wasn't, aside from teams W/L record. Statistically he was almost at his career average in every Category that matters. And by Matters the 5 most important stats for a QB, completion %, interception %, TD %, and total fumbles.
I repeat, get off your lazy ass and read the full thread. I have no need to repost stuff in the same thread to satisfy some lazy loudmouth who even if I did go back and copy and paste everything from the previous comments you'd just do exactly what Junc did, ignore it and call it "meaningless stats". Now go back and read, you know actually exert yourself.... And by Ignore I mean exactly what you've ignored in the comments made just lately in the comparisons and statistical information provided in these two thread just today.
Beginning to think Hobbes has a Sanchez portrait hanging over his bed with a Halo and wings on it....
It sure as hell doesnt stop with Sanchez. Im sure a lot of posters will admit that. We have cap problems, personnel problems and coaching problems. From the top of the organization straight down to the bottom and the leaks. For as many as those who act like Sanchez is the only problem, there's those who act like Sanchez is none of the problem. Both are ignorant in their own way. Its sad and annoying to see posters like Junc and Hobbes post 90% defending Sanchez to the death. They are just as bad as those who bash him to the death. Both sides are delusional IMO.
Agree Laxin, Sanchez isnt the whole of the problem, the teams a train wreck right now. and part of fixing a team is identifying what's wrong with the team. Old Linebacking corp bad O-line, moderate running game bad QB Thin at the WR position. among other issues.
Actually I've been watching the Jets for 44 years now, though I don't count the first 10 years as I was just a teeneager up to that point. No the team isn't the trainwreck that the team was in the early 70's, well for most of the 70's. But the team is definitely at a cross road and it's really going to depend on what the Jets do this offseason as to whether the wreck can be avoided. and it's going to take a very strong draft to bail the team out. Consider that 3/5's of what was a poor offensive line are free agents. (fortunately the two studs on the line aren't free agents). Both Safties are free agents, One of the rotational DE's is a free agent, the primary DT is probably going to get cut for Cap reasons, the teams top receiver over the past 4 or 5 years will be a free agent (keller until this year has been the #1 or #2 reciever each of the previous years), the team is extremely thin at WR. The leading rusher is a free agent, the QB is vastly overpaid and bottom 1/10th Qb in the league among active QB's since he entered the league 4 years ago. So the train may not be off the tracks yet, but it's definitely heading towards a 15mph corner at 120mph.
We'll see, what MM can do in yr. 1. Seems like he should minimally be able to improve on 2012. I think MS is going to be given the opportunity to run the WCO. Whether that is a smart idea or whether it works is something we'll likely be debating for the next 10 months. If MS can succeed as a WCO QB will be be the key to how long it takes to build something.
like this hire a lot marty's pass first philosophy and rex's run first will make for a well balanced west coast offense
They see 4-2 in the postseason...that's it. He's pitiful. He doesn't deserve to start. He's an insult to every football player out there, to be honest. Looking at him makes me want to vomit.
Here is an absolutely fantastic article that you must read http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/01/the_marty_mornhinweg_system_ho.html
In 2012 we had 9 games scoring 10 or less. It doesn't matter what system comes in or what Qb we get, we have nowhere to go but up on offense!
Great Article on Mornhinweg http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2013/01/the_marty_mornhinweg_system_ho.html
Thanks for the article Murrell. I'm genuinely excited to see what MM can do with this offense. This sort of article would feel like fluff if it were a rookie OC, but the fact that this guy has been doing it for over ten years gives me confidence that we can see a real change in the performance of the O. Even better is the fact that everything described in this article falls in line with the exact philosophy that Rex espoused during the year end press conference. It sounds more and more like Woody / Rex have developed an actual plan and are executing it.
Really? I haven't seen any Sanchez supporters referring to the stats. It's an illogical argument to do so. Usually they say Sanchez isn't the full problem and that the stats don't tell the whole story. I've never see someone quote his stats to prove a point (unless it's a negative point). With that said, I can't defend the man anymore, but that doesn't mean a good coach can't help fix him and put him in a system that works for him. Att Comp Pct Yds TD Int Rating 366 241 65.8 3,207 34 10 164.6 This is Sanchez in 2008 in the WCO at USC. That's far better than any season he's had in the NFL. I know it's college, so you can't compare it exactly, but specifically note his TD to INT ratio and comp %. If he can put up numbers even somewhat close, we'll be alright. But again, who knows. Is it really possible that a player can just be broken with no hope? The Jets need Sanchez to come through in a big way this year, so their money is not wasted.
