we haven't won one because we have never had a great QB - that is the only position that really matters and you don't pay elite QB money to a DB, no matter how good he is - without a "good" QB we are going nowhere, so why lock up a ton of money into a CB during the only years he has any trade value? I wouldn't be at all bothered if they traded Revis and got good value for him, especially if that value included a potentially good QB (which probably does not include Flynn).
I was thinking more so of trading Revis and Holmes and a 6th round pick to Detroit for Titus Young, Lions 2nd round pick, 4th round pick and 5th round pick. Schwartz/Detroit have a tight window of opportunity right now, Holmes becomes the ideal No.2 next to Megatron for Stafford to love(Holmes won't speak up against this as he knows Megatron is right now the hottest WR in the game) and of course Revis is an almighty god send to the Lions secondary. Titus Young is a headcase but a change of scenary is good for the young kid and he has a golden opportunity....and picks are picks and DET is picking high. No 1st round pick and can't get a 2nd and 3rd since Holmes and Revis coming off injuries and Holmes contract is kinda big. Get rid of Holmes deal, get 3 picks while only losing one and get a young WR who gets out of undisciplined Detroit who is only 23 years old and can be a starting WR too? I might be pushing it with getting a 5th round pick back honestly but Detroit's the perfect partner to work with...they need a No.2 WR AND a go to cornerback. If they take Revis and draft Millner if he's available, they are in business at the corner spot. I can also see Revis being taken out for Cromartie...either way Detroit and Schwartz who has to get it done this year or else will take either cornerback...they aren't in a position to get greedy.
if the tuna traded Keyshawn for salary demands, why should revis be off limits? maybe seattle or Arizona can give us offensive talent and/or draft picks in return.
exactly, look at the Skins, Broncos, and Colts this year - why have they all improved a great deal? They have improved the QB position. why are the packers, steelers, pats, Falcons always in contention? Good QBs when was the last time someone was fancied as a superbowl fave because they had a good cornerback?
Don't think Redskins agree to that trade. They've got a solid #2 QB who can step up & win games & he's on a really good contract. They're not in a rush to unload him. Talent-wise it makes sense but dollar-wise, I think Redskins shoot it down. Revis is coming off surgery & why give up young players for him when you only guaranteed one season for him? Revis aint cutting anybody a hometown discount so there's no advantage in resigning him if you obtain him before he hits FA. It's surprising to me how many Jets fans think this trade is one-sided for the Jets though. Unfortunately, the Redskins know better.
The contracts mean nothing to you guys? Somebody is suggesting Matt Flynn for QB with the worst statistical season in the entire NFL & CB that's likely to walk away from this franchise after just one more season (where's he coming back from season ending surgery). Not as lopsided as you believe when you combine the contracts and talent.
You mention Sanchez's talent, or lack there of, but dont mention that Revis is the best CB since Dion Sanders? I like how you did that to strengthen your argument :wink:
I assumed that we all know Revis is the best CB to play since Dion Sanders. If it makes things clearer then you are right to say I should've included this in my earlier post. That's a mistake by me. === The reason I'm open to trading Revis is because I'm worried how much $$ Jets can sink into their starting CB duo & still remain competitive. With Cro + Revis, Jets can be looking @ $20+ Million & there's so few opponents out there that require a shutdown level CB on their #2 WR. I'm also worried that Revis will walk out the door & Jets will get zero compensation. It's dangerous to sign him this offseason because we haven't seen him on the field post-surgery. However, if we wait for him to show he's full recovered on the field, he cuts the Jets zero discount & now it's possible that he'll just price himself off the Jets roster. At the same time, whoever takes on Revis in trade will also get zero discount when it comes to free agency. Just don't think there's a GM out there to give out lots of picks/talent for Revis & have him walk away after just one season. That's the kind of mistake that'll get a GM fired. ==== Revis is one the best CB we'll ever see but we're only guaranteed to have him for one more season. My opinion: If this organization feels like they only have one season with Revis then use him to help replace Sanchez with a decent QB. If the Jets feel like they're gonna keep Revis then they should consider shopping around Cromartie. ==== Following model of other GM that keep the existing HC, Rex is gonna most likely only have one season to prove he belongs here to new GM. This offense is so bad I don't think he'll be able win enough games to keep his jobs if there's not an upgrade there talent-wise. Rex has shown defensive smarts & even the most anti-Rex chants/posts think he'll be an awesome defensive coordinator. I think Rex can overcome the problem of missing CB much easier than the problem of worst starting QB in the league.
Revis is under contract for maybe 1 year assuming he doesn't hold out, and you can't franchise him add in that he is coming off a major injury and for a 1st rounder that would be a bad deal for SEA, add in trading a relatively cheap backup QB for a salary albatross, and he's right Seattle wouldn't even think for 5 seconds before rejecting that deal.
It's no too hard to defend the pass at the expense of stopping the run and stopping the run at the expense of defending the pass.
100% agree, look what having a real QB did for franchises like Washington, Seattle, Denver, Colts, then the perennials like the Pats and GB. This is a QB league, you cannot compete without a top QB. 2013 will be a disaster, we need to be trading anyone we can for picks. Even without Revis our pass defense was one of the best in the league. Bottom line we need a QB, until we get one we're spinning our wheels.
Im not arguing about trading Revis, because I am a huge proponent of it. I just think we could get more for Revis... He may be coming of an injury, but ACL's are almost 100% recoverable. Considering that Revis isnt an athletic freak and is truly great because of his instincts and techniques, I think he will be pretty damn near 100%. His contract is a problem, but the team we hypothetically trade him to should have the foresight to lock him up, otherwise why would they want him? I wouldnt accept anything less than a 1st and a 3rd... And I would try and get a conditional pick the next year depending on how he plays (maybe a 2nd). Also keep in mind if we lose him in FA we are going to get a 3rd round compensation pick so we have more incentive to try and get more.
No way the Skins are doing any business with the Jets. Shannahan has that organization on the way up and he doesnt want it tainted by anything "Jets" related. I cant see them giving up Orakpo for anything. My wife is a Skins lifer and I have been saying we need to trade for Orakpo. I also told her that when Landry was going to be a free agent that he would be a JET.
