The $20 mil may include the vet minimum for the empty spots (only top 53 count towards cap) which would give us another $6.5 mil towards filling the empty spaces.
If Pace wants to be camp fodder that is fine with me but I don't want us to give him guaranteed money. Breno needs to go. Most of his salary for 2015 was guaranteed but this year we can cut him loose. Cro and Brick have similar contracts. They are both due huge salaries and have no guaranteed money coming to them. Losing either Cro or Brick leaves a huge hole that we can not afford to fix this year if we want to fix our other problems. I would try to lock up both guys for the next three years at slightly more affordable terms ($6.5-7 mil for Cro and $8 mil for Brick including salary, roster bonuses, etc.). Brick been given money in the past that must also be pro-rated against the cap over the next two years.
http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space i usually use this... not sure if this is counting the roll over or not but i know they update this within minutes of a signing... great for the free agency period to keep up with your team. Says here 11.3 mill for 2016.
Cutting Cro's $8 million from the cap would give the Jets more cap space to work with than any other single player aside from Mo, and he was arguably their worst starter for most of the 2015 season. There's no way he should be brought back, especially for $6.5 -$7 million per year. I might be willing to give him a 2-year deal with that being the total amount, but I'm sure not bringing him back for anything over that. I'd love to see Breno upgraded, but if Breno is cut, then the Jets not only HAVE to find a new starter in the draft, but also a backup. That's nuts. He's bad, but not that bad that they should shoot themselves in the foot like that, particularly since this isn't a very good draft for OTs outside of the top two. You can't keep him as backup and pay him that much money, either. I think we're stuck with him as the RT starter for another year. Hopefully, Brick will take a 50% pay cut, but I'm not holding my breath on that.
$14 million? I think it will be $20 million or more. Mo alone will get at least $13-$14 million if not over $15 million. Fitz will probably get $6 million or more, and maybe as much as $7-$8 million per year. I think we probably HAVE to trade Mo.
I definitely think all the players listed will be cut except Breno and probably Folk. I'd be surprised if the Jets cut Folk. He's not making that much and has been very reliable for the team. We don't want to see other holes fixed on the team, have the Jets on the brink of the playoffs (or better) again, only to have them sabotaged by a kicker who misses a FG or extra point. I don't think Folk should go anywhere.
I was low ballin for the sake of discussion, but yeah, no way we keep Mo for that money, I agree. I think Fitz gets 8mil, Mo if he doesn't want to hang around for 8-9 mil, goes to some shit hole like Tampa or Jacksonville for a draft pick.
Have you looked at overthecap.com? If you have, how are the Jets going to do that? Where is are they going to find that money? I just don't see the Jets as having a lot of extra money they can gain with restructures and cuts and not create more problems. Their top cap hits for the 2016 season are: Revis $17 million Brick $14.1 million Marshall $9.5 million Mangold $8.6 million Decker $8 million Cro $8 million Skrine $7.75 million Harris $7.5 million Gilchrist $5.625 million Carpenter $5.575 million Giacomini $5.125 million Williams $4.234 million Revis can't be touched. It's guaranteed, I believe. Hopefully, they can get some from Brick, but there are no guarantees and he holds the leverage. They certainly aren't going to disrespect Marshall or mess around with his money wanting to kick it down the road where he would never see it or guarantee him a lot more, only to see him suffer a career-ending injury or something. The same goes for Mangold and Decker. If they cut Skrine, they'd save $2.5 million, but then they have to replace him and I don't think they'd be able to, and I'm not sure that they want to guarantee him a bunch more money, either. Harris would be a wash to cut. No cap savings and they'd have to replace him with another starter. Again, they don't want to kick money down the road with older players whose play is declining. I doubt they can do much with Gilchrist or Carpenter or would want to. Carpenter was arguably the better of the two. I'm not sure either are irreplaceable for the long term, but in the short term, believe they are. If they cut Giacomini, they'd save $3.875 million against the cap, but would have to replace him. Even if they wanted to cut Pryor, they'd lose cap space rather than gain. I don't think they can touch Williams rookie contract. They can cut Cro and save $8 million, Cumberland and save $1.9 million, Kerley and save $1.3 million, Folk and save $2, 156,666 (I think that would be a mistake), Richardson and save $1.776 million, and Geno and save $1.089,401 million (but Petty would have to be ready to play or they'd have to sign a vet backup, who would likely be no better and would cost 2-3 times more), and then they'd need to draft a QB. Let's say they cut Cro, Cumberland and Kerley. That would give them an extra $11.2 million, which isn't bad, but would mean they'd have to replace at least one if not two starters. A number of posters have been saying that they thought that Marcus Williams should start over Cro. If he does that would take care of his spot, but what if Mac and Bowles didn't agree with that? Then they'd have to go out and sign another starting CB in FA, and that would cut significantly into that $11.2 million, let's say conservatively $4-5 million. They could possibly replace Cumberland with Amaro, but what if he can't stay healthy or can't or won't block? I personally don't want to see that, and would rather they use $3-4 million (or more) to sign a quality FA TE. With Mo and Fitz alone likely to cost over $20 million, that would gobble up whatever initial cap space the Jets have, and part of the $11.2 million. What's left might be enough to re-sign Snacks, but possibly not, but I doubt would also leave enough to sign the draft picks, much less any other FAs, be they our own or outside FAs to address holes. I'm no cap guru, but I don't see from where you think that money is going to come.
It is easy to say cut Brick or cut Cromartie. It is not easy finding their replacements. We already blew two recent first round draft picks for the likes of Kyle Wilson and Dee Millner. Who wants burn another first rounder getting a corner to replace Cro?
I'm guessing D'Brick gets reworked down below $5M for 2016. Not sure how that will work out but he's overpaid at $8.6M for the year given his current level of play. There's room to just cut some money from the salary and bring him into line with the other LT's at his current ability level. Mangold isn't going to get cut. He's still the best player on that line and the one who will be hardest to replace when he's gone. His salary for 2016 is $5.6M. Cro is a goner and that probably is it off of the big cap numbers for 2016. If the Jets drafted a RT then Breno Giacomini might find himself under some pressure to take a cut, or even to get cut. Drafting D'Brick's replacement is probably a better move at this point. Keeping Mo is probably a no-brainer at this point so he's going to count about $16M on the cap until he's traded at the deadline or works out a deal to stay long-term. On the cut of Cro, the Jets have a bunch of different options under contract for next year to replace him. Between Marcus Williams, Dee Milliner, Dexter McDougle, etc they must have somebody who can step up and play at enough of a replacement level to make it not a huge loss. Maybe they'll get a young guy showing real improvement in his 3rd or 4th year and actually increase the play level there.
That shady Mevi$ took us for a ride....Mac took a bath on that one Cro is another promise you everything deliver next to nothing player This GM figures the mess out ..not worried
Agreed. From the looks of things, we aren't cutting Brick because it's doubtful that we'll be able to get a LT prospect out of this draft who can. That's the reason why I said it's doubtful that we get much cap relief from him. He holds all the cards. Many posters think Marcus Williams could and should replace Cro in the starting lineup. I don't know if they're right or not. I just know that Cro sucked for most of the season and wasn't worth anywhere near what he was being paid or is due to be paid in 2016. While I don't think anyone wants to see another 1st round pick get used on a corner to replace him, I haven't even looked at the FA CB list, but I think the Jets could possibly find a capable 2nd CB in FA at half the cost. Few have any faith in Milliner being able to stay healthy and play, but that's another possibility. I just don't think Cro offers that much any more. He's never been a technique guy, but relied on his natural speed and whatever ability he had. He's getting older, more injury prone, and his speed isn't what it was. The main reason to keep him is that he's a bit of a ballhawk, but how many interceptions did he have this season, 0? 1? 2? Bowles may very well like him and keep him, but unless Cro plays most of, if not the entire 2016 season the way he did the last 2-3 games, then I think that would be a mistake when we can get a huge chunk of cap space by cutting him.
If they cut Cro and Kerley who is returning kicks and punts? I agree that cutting Folk would be a huge mistake. Kerley's cap hit isn't big enough to cut him. I would have rather seen him on the field over Devon Smith and Enunwa in most situations to be honest. I know Decker plays the slot, but I thought Kerley proved he was reliable enough to get more snaps than he did this year. The Jets can survive without Cromartie, but a cut and resign sounds more plausible.
They could easily draft a RB or WR in a middle round to be a returner and depth at their normal position. Kerley's cap hit is way too high for someone to fair catch punts. He doesn't return KOs, and rarely sees the field. IMO he needs to go. Add Cumberland's and Kerley's cap hits together and that's $3.6 million they can use on a FA RG, RT , TE, RB, ILB or OLB.
Cro and Kerley are cuts for sure. Keeping those guys isn't even an option. Kerley didn't even have good enough production to justify his salary. And I'm pretty sure we can replace those epic punts returns...... But how do you get Brick to take a big cut? He's already renegotiated before. Maybe he thinks he's earned it. (Though he wasn't exactly a world beater.) Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk
Pace is 35 and a free agent.....he won't be back next year there's no way.I could see the Giants giving him a 1 year deal because he can still be productive on certain downs
