Did I make the thread? Are they both not QBs in the same division? Did one replace the other here? Then why wouldn't they be in the same sentence? All I said is that Favre's playoff record in this decade, since Chad has been in the league, is no better than Chad's. If you still want to live in 1996 and 97 go for it. Sounds good, I can be 30 again and so can Brett. :up:
I know there are a bunch of Chad haters on this board, but I think the writer is right; I think we would be 5-3 or even 6-2 with Chad. When you consider that we likely gave up a second round pick for Favre and will get absolutely nothing for Chad (conservatively he was worth a 3rd or 4th rounder), and that Favre has been sporatic at times and has made some pathetically God-awful decisions; I think if we were to objectively evaluate as of right now; we've been screwed to the nth degree. To date our 2 best deep balls have been to Clowney by Ratliff in pre-season; that is nothing to be proud of.
I do believe the last minute drive Farve had v.s the Cheifs was one more than Chad has had since he entered the league. Has he ever done it before with that much time left on the clock?
This is the same old thread. The main reason we would not be better off with Chad is our O coordinator is brain damaged. As for Farve, I am not convinced we would not be doing just as well with Clemmon or Ratliff starting. If we are going to turn the ball over with this many INT's it might as well be while we are developing a rookie!
And you not taking out Chad's best game because? Leaving in Farve's worst game because? Pulling things out of you ass because? Lets talk about Chad's less then a TD a game pace. Or the Phins Dismal 32.3% third down conversion percentage which puts them in the bottom 6 (the Jets hover mid pack at 40.8). Which shows yet again that Chad, while playing it safe, is not a play maker when he has to be. Sure Chad is racking up more yards per game. Palying it safe and not making mistakes. Its what he does. His arm still sucks and he is not a Game chaning play maker. End of story.
LOL, I can't get over how the Packers fans in general have agreed to get over and leave behind (at least in day-to-day discussion board chatter) the trade and public rejection of the undisputed face of their franchise for almost two decades, and did it the year after he was legitimately runner up MVP and led his team to home field advantage in NFC championship ... and meanwhile Jets fans are still rehashing ad nauseum cutting Pennington, who actually wasn't even the clear starter for the team at the time. This is getting real tiring. Please do like me, take talk about a player you follow to boards of the team he is actually playing on. I don't talk about Favre on Packers boards any more, and you should give up already on the Pennington talk here. It doesn't belong here. The Packers have a worse record than the Jets right now, AND they just signed Rodgers to a huge deal that pays him about as much as they were paying Favre, but for some reason you don't article after article after article after article, week after week, talking about "hey the Packers would be 4-4 with Brett too!" Think about it -- if your best argument you can come up with is "we might not be doing any worse if we had not done this" then ... are you really saying anything at all? You are basically saying "hey, maybe this is only a minimal improvement, not a huge one" Is that really an indictment of the trade? Sheez.
The guy is good, but he's way overrated. And he's played on much better teams than Pennington. Do I think Favre has a better chance than Pennington of getting the Jets to the Super Bowl? Of course. But I don't think the trade was worth it because when the team doesn't get there they're again going to be in the position of looking for a franchise QB, and not knowing whether or not they have one.
This is exactly right. And if Farve bolts the Mangini Regime will be over and some new coach will come in and it will take years to get his system and Qb in place and who is to say it will even be good. This Farve or bust situation will be feast of famine for the team.
Two reason I can see for this if I had to guess: 1-The NY media loves to stir shit up and there's a lot more of them digging for stories than you have in Wisconsin. 2-A lot of people were expecting a tremendous upgrade from Pennington to Favre, so they act surprised that we might be in the same place had we not made the move. I'm guessing in Green Bay it's a given that most people feel you'd be better off still with Favre, so it's not much of a story if you aren't without him.
Not really. We're on our way to a good enough year, it seems, that Mangini isn't going anywhere. He probably wasn't anyway. If Favre leaves it only buys him more time.
But Chad is likely to play much longer than Favre. They can take a few years to see what that have with their young QBs, while the Jets QBs will be thrown into the fire.
At the end of the day all you can ask of your team is that they put themselves in the best position to try and win a championship. Having Favre instead of Pennington does that and having him instead of Penny this season has zero impact on our QB of the future.
I agree, but now that it's been done it's been done. If our young guys have to play so be it, if they're any good they will show signs. I don't have much hope for Clemens but I do for Ratliff.
LOL, here is the record of Favre/Packers starting the year following that Superbowl win. Is this what you call "a downward spiral"???: Code: Season Conference Division Rank Record 1997 NFL NFC Central 1st 13 3 1998 NFL NFC Central 2nd 11 5 1999 NFL NFC Central 4th 8 8 2000 NFL NFC Central 3rd 9 7 2001 NFL NFC Central 2nd 12 4 2002 NFL NFC North 1st 12 4 2003 NFL NFC North 1st 10 6 2004 NFL NFC North 1st 10 6 2005 NFL NFC North 4th 4 12 2006 NFL NFC North 2nd 8 8 2007 NFL NFC North 1st 13 3 I'm curious -- have the Jets or any quarterback for the Jets ever had a 11 year stretch even remotely as good as this supposed awful, terrible, horrendous "downward spiral" that Favre went through? Yeah, being the Division champs only 50% of the time really sucks. you do realize he was voted league MVP in one of those "downward" years ... right?