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Manning Agaisnt Ryan Defenses

2005 Week 1 Colts 24 Ravens 7

Manning was 21/36, 254, 2 TDs. Colts scored 17 points and then took the air out of the ball.

2006 Playoffs Colts 15 Ravens 6

Manning was 15/30, 170, 2 INT. Indy goes for five field goals in Baltimore. This is the game the Jets fans have to hope for. Of course, the Ravens lost by 9 with a better O against a lesser defense, but it's still their best hope.

2007 Colts 44 Ravens 20

Uh oh. Manning goes 13/17 for 249 and 4 TDs.

2008 Colts 31 Ravens 3

Manning goes 19/28 271 and 3 TDs

2009 Jets 29 Colts 15

Before Manning gets pulled he posts 15 points (2 TDs, FG), and 14/21 for 192 yards.

That means that in five games against a defense run/designed by Rex Ryan. Two of those defenses (2006, 2008) were better by DVOA than the 2009 Jets. All of them were top 5 DVOA defenses.

Manning's total stats against Rex Ryan: 82/132, 62.1%, 1136 yards, 8.6 YPA, 9 TDs, 2 INTs, 106.1 rating.

Rex Ryan is a marvelous defensive coordinator. His blitz heavy philosophy will be frustrate most quarterbacks.

Peyton Manning is not most quarterbacks

 

its obvious that you are a colts fan, so here is a jets fan's take.

dont expect your high flying colts offense to take off, and put up 30 or more on this defense. the colts are going to have to find a way to score points without reggie wayne, who i feel is in the top 3 in the league at the wr position. in the previous game he did play more than a half of football and he did have 3 catches, which is more than other elite receivers who played a whole game on revis island. i dont see wayne having a big day unless ryan moves revis around a whole lot, and i dont think ryan will. we saw the jets hold down gates, tomlinson,and sproles last week, so how is it that clark, addai, and brown are expected to have a field day? the main difference between the chargers offense and the colts offense is peyton manning. duh, you might say. well let me just say that manning is one of the all time great statistical quarterbacks, but he is no joe montana. what i mean by that is, manning hates pressure....he always has. whether it being "game pressure" or "defensive pressure", he gets very happy feet. i must admit that i have no statistical proof of this, but lets not be foolish, we have all watched him play for a very long time...in the college and pro games. if we all know what i am saying is true, then you better believe that rex ryan knows it too. this may seem like a random thing but do you remember how bobby bowdens great florida state teams always seemed to beat the even better steve spurrier florida teams? i remember......the florida qb's got knocked on their ass all game long whether they had the ball or not, and it didnt matter if a flag hit the ground or not at times. how do you beat peyton manning? get ready colts fans, you might be playing the afc championship without your hall of famer at some point in the game. if the colts are not scoring many points, and you say that the jets cant, then what kind of game do we have? a game like the jets like it! i'm not saying that the jets will win, but if any team in the afc can beat them, it is this style of team. the jets are not afraid to lose because they have nothing to lose, the same cant be said for the colts. go jets! i cant wait for sunday

 

Good post....I don't agree with all of it, but you make some good points. If you go back and watch the first game Reggie did get Revis twice, but Manning missed him. I think Reggie will end up with a couple of big catches, not necessarily TD's but decent plays that may lead to scores. He has a habit of raising his level of play in big games the same way another Reggie used to do it to NY. :up:

 

~ Jets S Kerry Rhodes, quoted on NYDailyNews.com saying he believes Peyton Manning can be rattled: "I've seen him get rattled against the Patriots when the Patriots and Colts were in the playoffs. I've seen him throw four interceptions against them in one game. He can get rattled. It definitely can happen." Rhodes continued: "Go back. I've seen it happen a couple of times. When they played Pittsburgh in the playoffs ('05 season). Pittsburgh came up with all kinds of blitzes, zone blitzes. He's seen everything. But the way you disguise it is the key. Even when he is not pressured, make him feel simulated pressure. He hasn't seen every way we can do it. It will be fun. A cat and mouse game."

This isn't anything new. Any QB will get rattled if you're in his grill all day, not just Manning. In talking about Manning 3 or more years ago, Mr. Rhodes is 100% correct. However, this isn't the same Manning starting with last year. He has raised his mental level of the game considerably which is why he won back to back MVP's over QB's with better numbers. He doesn't feel the need to make something happen by trying to force the ball into tight places.

 

There will be adjustments all game, not just at halftime. Of course, you have more time to discuss and do things at halftime, but there will be adjustments throughout the game.

Not even close.

On defense we have much different personnel and so Rex has different schemes. The Jets corners are able to cover man-man better than most teams in the league including the ravens which allows Rex to do a lot of different things including sending extra guys, setting traps, or doubling extra guys. What similarities are there from our defense to the Ravens?

On offense we have much better receivers, a healthy QB, a better o-line and a big, fast, FRESH power back that along w/our o-line will beat down your "fast" defense over the course of the game.

We played Brady(2x), Brees, Schaub, Peyton and Rivers. Similar strength of schedule there.

I assure you the defense will have things Peyton hasn't seen this week and it will be dynamic throughout the game, not static as you seem to imagine.

 

I don't know if your Jets played a comparable schedule, the Jets didn't play Green Bay, Pitt or Minnesota...The Ravens did... the only elite team you played they didn't was NO...

Your team has better rcvrs, but without a QB to throw it, they are extra's on the field...you may as well put in extra OL.

In defense, your team has Revis (hands down) but the ravens have Ed Reed, and the ball hawking Ray Lewis... they also have Terrel Suggs and they are a hard hitting team...I haven't followd a lot of Jets games, but I don't think your team is known for being a hard hitting defense. In order to make the ever moving 3-4 work, your defense needs a dependable safety...(Harrison for the Pats and Polamolu for the Steelers). I haven't seen all of the Jets games or even a third, but looking at your defensive roster, your team lacks the talent to play the interchangeable 3-4.

The speed of the Colts O stops you from playing a lot of LB forcing you to play DB's, then Dallas is too big for them to check and Addai running against a DB isn't fair...

 

^ how was the bukkake?

 

Again, you're all over the map here and we're off topic so I'm moving this to a general thread.

I thought we were talking about offenses? Because the teams I listed had outstanding offenses this year.

What makes you think we cannot throw the ball? Sanchez converted a number of key third down passes last week as well as a go ahead TD pass. He can pass the ball just fine, but as long as the score allows us to batter and wear down your under sized defense with the run game we will.

And they play different positions. My point was not that the Jets have better players at every position, but that they have different personnel than the Ravens and thus different defensive schemes are being used by Rex and Pettine that play to the strengths of the players we DO have.

I'd say Rex and Pettine are doing pretty well with the defense. They are #1 in the NFL after all.

The colts offense is really good, I think Rex and Pettine will be able to slow it down though. I'm not guaranteeing anything, I just think they CAN.

 

White shoes (you use to be a Dallas fan eh), you keep tricking me off topics...I think I am following you around because you hit on good points... I can't help I just want to respond to them...It's like debating football with my little brother and he likes Dallas and Pitt... You know how that goes...

 

One thing that is not getting talked about is Darrelle Revis' relationship with Ty Law. Law owned Manning in the playoffs.

Darrelle Revis gets Law advice
Manning nemesis aids corner

By Karen Guregian / AFC Notebook | Friday, January 22, 2010 | http://www.bostonherald.com | NFL Coverage

Photo by AP
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. - Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis has been using a special consultant to help him take down Peyton Manning on Sunday.

Revis said Ty Law, his former Jets teammate and the former Patriots [team stats] star cornerback, has helped him decode and decipher all of Manning’s gyrations and machinations at the line. That kind of information can be especially useful to the person expected to shut down Manning’s lead receiver, Reggie Wayne.

Law remains the player who has the most career interceptions against Manning, with four regular-season picks and a record five postseason thefts - the most playoff picks by one player against another.

“When I talked to Ty before the first game (in Week 16), he just told me some of the stuff he does do, don’t pay attention to,” said Revis, who like Law, grew up in Aliquippa, Pa. “Peyton, he points in the crowd. People think he’s audibling, but he’s not. That’s just to get the defense distracted.”

Revis said he would dial up Law, who finished the season with the Broncos, to see what other pointers the veteran could give him for Sunday’s AFC Championship Game.

Law told the Denver Post yesterday what he thinks of Revis, who has this season shut down many of the game’s top receivers, including Randy Moss, Chad Ochocinco, Terrell Owens, Steve Smith and Andre Johnson.

“He’s the best in the game. He is a true shutdown corner because of the way they use him,” said Law. “It’s just the confidence they have in him, for the coach to say we’re going to put you on their top receiver every game. He doesn’t take that as pressure. It’s not for everyone out there on that island.”

Manning, meanwhile, paid the Jets corner his due respect, but also handed out compliments for the entire secondary.

“He’s a very talented player that has played very good football this year,” Manning said during a conference call yesterday. “Let me also say, I think their other corners are excellent cover guys. (Lito) Sheppard has been around a long time and has played in a lot of big games. I think he’s an excellent cover guy. (Dwight) Lowery does a really good job. (Donald) Strickland does a good job.

“Their safeties are good cover guys as well. They have a number of guys who cover in their different packages. Revis certainly gets a lot of attention, and he certainly deserves it, but their other guys are excellent cover guys, as well.”

Peyton praise

Colts coach Jim Caldwell gave Manning some high praise during his conference call.

“When you have an individual that is here, within your franchise, that does things the right way in every single aspect - a guy that loves the game, has great respect for the game, and handles himself in a way that’s exemplary,” Caldwell said, “it makes it very easy for us to tell our young guys, if you want to understand how to prepare for the game, how to play this game, you can watch this guy.”

Chowin’ chowder

There was more talk about players and coaches with superstitions. Jets wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery may have Patriots fans piqued by his game-day ritual.

Remember how former Red Sox [team stats] third baseman Wade Boggs had to eat chicken before every game? For Cotchery, it’s clam chowder. And it’s not the red Manhattan-style. Cotchery must have a bowl of New England clam chowder as his pregame meal.

“I’ve been doing that since college (at North Carolina State),” Cotchery said. “It’s been working well for me.

“But I love it, and it has to be New England clam chowder. I go crazy if I don’t get it.”

Tempting fate

JetsShop.com is selling apparel and gear projecting a victory in Sunday’s game over the Colts.

There are “AFC Champion” T-shirts already being sold.

So step right up. . . .

Jets defensive end Shaun Ellis, who has a broken left hand, was back at practice. Safety Kerry Rhodes bumped his knee and was limited during practice, as were linebackers Bart Scott (left ankle) and David Harris (right ankle). All are expected to play.

Strickland (broken finger) and fullback Tony Richardson (ribs) were full participants in practice, as were quarterback Mark Sanchez (knee) and wide receiver Danny Woodhead (knee). . . .

Jets coach Rex Ryan sent a game ball to former Chargers coach Marty Schottenheimer after last weekend’s playoff upset in San Diego, the team that fired the father of New York’s offensive coordinator.

Brian Schottenheimer admitted he never thought of it and expressed thanks to his boss for the gesture.

Article URL: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view.bg?articleid=1227412

 

The colts offense is really good, I think Rex and Pettine will be able to slow it down though. I'm not guaranteeing anything, I just think they CAN.

Rex's defenses haven't been able to stop Manning the last eight times. He slowed them when the Colts were on the road in the AFCCG, but I think he lit them up for 30+ twice recently. Sexy Rexy will be scheming, but Manning will be looking at every angle as well. If the Jets want to mill around, PM may go with the hurry up, quick count or both to force the Jets into an alignment. It will be fun to watch.

 

This is all correct except it was the 2006 AFC Divisional. NOT the Championship Game.

 

Your defense is good, but not that good.

 

We like our foul mouthed rookie.

Better than the fake ass puppet coach who calls up Dungy everyday to ask for help....

I swear I saw the X on the sideline to tell him where to stand....

-"Just stand there and shut up"
-"yessum"

 

You'll have plenty of time in the offseason to jerk off to his picture.