No, it's not fair to be judging them one way or the other, but there's nothing wrong with being happy about most of the moves they've made so far. The thing that has me happiest about them at the moment is that they've resisted the temptation to bring washed up big names into town. That shows me that they're ready to make a real rebuild attempt and to ignore the tabloid frenzy in the process.
Well they never try selling him as a "bookend" & in my mind he was just another typical NYJ flop so why dump more on the fire?
That is why you should transfer your fandom to some other team cause it is fans like you with the lowest possible standards that have made us what we are to date
This was a very adept article explaining why the new team of Tannenbaum and Mangini stood firm to their principles and executed their plan - despite the hype of the Draft. Ferguson and Mangold were slam dunks as far as I'm concerned. All I read about Clemens has me thinkining he might have what it takes to be our QB of the future. I'm not so high on Schlegel and Smith - but both are smart, tough, character type players who the new FO/CS believes we need to build around - and I'll go with them. So far I love what I see - and now read - about our Dynamic Duo!
Just remember what was said when we drafted Powell & Ward exactly what you posted & what did it get us?
He only considers a SB victory to be a success. Of course, he's always such a miserable **** that even if we won the SB, he would still bitch about something.
Yeah, that fact is finally penetrating my thick skull. The weird thing is that I think he has a point that he believes in. I just wish I could understand it.
Champ - I was very happy with the selection of Marvin Powell in 1978. The guy was one of the most underrated OT's in NFL History. He deserved to be in the HOF but playing on weak Jet teams he never got the recognition he deserved. Ward on the other hand, was the kind of person that our new FO would skip over no matter how talented he was. I know all about his partying and drug use. He never played smart, and he wasted his talent. Ward could have been a super star, but he played below his ability and played dumb on and off the field. Since I was only 15 when we first fielded the "Book Ends," it's hard to say if my analysis back then was on target. I was glad we were trying to field a top Oline after years of watching Joe get walloped. However, 27 years ago "smart, tough players" wasn't a mantra - and the Jets certainly didn't use it. Now our new FO and CS is on target - no Chris Ward types...and neither of these guys are Chris Ward types. Both Ferguson and Mangold are good citizens and smart, tough players.
Is that not the goal? Isn't that why the season is player. You mean you go around think how woonderful the NYJs are knowing they have won NOTHING in some 37 odd years?
You see where you & I part ways is just because supposely F & M were "supposely" best OLman this year does not mean nothing since who knows if either one can compete in the NFL at the top most level. To say our line has been ungraded IMHO is silly until these guys show me the goods they can play. What makes me think that these "bookends" like the ones before them based on ESPN detailed analysis of F & the contention hanging out there that M is to small for the C position. Just look at JV to small & not strong enough which is why he is the champion of the tackles 5 or more yds D/F. I know other's here will attempt to make excuses for him blaming our DL but just like Coker saiid about him is come back to haunt us. Now if the ESPN evulation is even half on the mark concerning these guys then they are flops before they ever played game 1. So where is supposed upgrading?
Why I feed the troll, I don't know. Maybe it's because I think you may actually believe the filth you're spewing and want to try and help you ... maybe it's because I think you need a hug ... maybe it's because I have nothing better to do, I don't know. You were already owned multiple times on the ?'s about Ferguson. Don't try and pretend like you weren't. If 1 person did actually say what you claimed they did, they are wrong - look at the films available online of him, and read what everyone else has to say. I was unable to find anything stating what you claimed, only people saying the EXACT OPPOSITE. As far as Mongolds size, he is about the same weight as all NFL centers. Here's a list of the AFC starting centers ... some of them are on new teams now but this is what I got from the NFL site. 305 - Mike Flynn - Ravens 300 - Trey Teague - Bills 305 - Rich Braham - Bengals 291 - Jeff Faine - Browns 286 - Tom Nalen - Broncos 301 - Mike Flanagan - Texans 295 - Jeff Saturday - Colts 312 - Dennis Norman - Jaguars 285 - Casey Wiegmann - Chiefs 325 - Rex Hadnot - Dolphins 305 - Russ Hochstein - Patriots 300 - Nick Mangold - Jets 300 - Jake Grove - Raiders 299 - Jeff Hartings - Steelers 295 - Nick Hardwick - Chargers 310 - Eugene Amano - Titans To put down Vilma is just not intelligent. He's a fantastic NFL MLB - even a DOLPHINS fan would agree on this one. Do you even watch football?? Do you? Also - to call someone a bust before they play one NFL down is just plain rediculous. Do you want them to fail? Give them a bloody chance before you write them off as busts.
No, they were talking about his run blocking not his pass blocking, there is a difference. I am a little late to the party people, sorry
Just because people have a different opinion than you, or post something that proves you wrong does not mean they post "MISINFORMATION." You have accused me of this, and I have asked you to give me specific examples of where I have done so, and you always seem to dissappear. Hmmm... ESPN never talked about his pass blocking, they discussed and showed vid of examples where he was beat on the run. I watched the draft all day for both days. Pass blocking and run blocking are different. In that same segment they also discussed these errors being easily corrected with a little more weight and NFL coaching for better run blocking techniques. They had nothing but praise for his pass blocking ability, saying he has the best pass-blocking technique for a LT in years. So please, post a link to the article or vid please. Or should we just call it "MISINFORMATION?"
One off-topic question for you: why are you championjets69? Shouldn't it really be: championjets68whowonthesuperbowlin69?
Champ - why are you so negative about our rookie OLinemen? Most of the "experts" I listened to said that: -Ferguson has tremendous talent and upside. They love his feet and his work ethic. Most agree he needs to put on weight and improve technique. However, even the most jaded thought he was a great pick and has all the tools to be a Pro Bowl LT for years to come. Will he have growing pains? Sure, but I'm not going negative on this guy because we haven't won the Super Bowl in 37 years. -Mangold was said to be the smartest, toughest center coming out of college in years. If 295-300 is too small, then something is crazy. Can he get stronger and bigger? Sure, working out as a full time pro with an NFL Strength coach - especially since his bio says he's a workout warrior who will do everything he can to get better. Another character guy with smarts and toughenss. Why be negative on these guys because Ward was a dissapointment? That makes absolutely no sense. Sure, the draft is always a crapshoot, but adding the best LT and best C in the draft is usually the way to upgrade your Oline? Don't you think? Champ, I am concerned about you - this will not be an easy couple of years as the new FO and CS rebuilds this franchise. Sure a Super Bowl is everyone's goal - but realistically we need to build block by block and change the culture back to pre-Herm days...to the Parcells days plus the Mangini input. We all will have to be somewhat patient...and I hope you can handle it and stay positive.
