when the jets are being compared to teams that have won SB's over the past years that means elite. NO SB = nothing. Upper tier=NO.
24 Mcneil - you couldnt be any more off base the originally poster named 10 or so teams and not all 10 won the SB in the last 6 years - the Bills of the Late 80's were an elite team regardless of not winning one. I will always remember the 1998 , the 1986 and 1982 teams they didnt have to win Superbowls to be memorable seasons. If you think its all or nothing than be prepared for a lifetime of dissapointment.
The goal is the championship not just to make it... everything else is nice and you can take from it what you will...
absolutely, but the thread wasn't that the Jets were an elite franchise, but top tier. sure, that is a sematical point, but I don't think you would get a disagreement that their is a difference between elite and top tier. there is obviously a difference, and the Jets belong to the latter, which is the argument presented. I agree completely, which make the point of the thread even more legit - that the long history of the Jets failure has unfairly affected the recent perception of the team which has been far more succesful than many other teams in the league. but the comparisson wasn't exclusively to just Super Bowl teams, just playoff teams of a certain period, which of course Super Bowl teams would be included, so the Super Bowl argument is irrelevent. is it your position that you are only a top tier team or elite if you win a Super Bowl? that is quite a ridiculous position. you are only a Super Bowl team if you win a Super Bowl. by your position, the 90's Bills or the recent Eagles were not top tier or elite teams of their era, because they never won a Super Bowl. but that is the point of having different classifications. if top tier or elite was simply Super Bowl winners, there would be no need to define teams as top tier or elite, you would just call them Super Bowl winners. the fact that there are different classifications inherently means they are identifying different levels of success.
yes, the ultimate goal is a championship, but there are steps of success on the way. if a team goes 1-15 one year, going 12-4 the next isn't a failure if they don't win the Super Bowl. the all or nothing position ignores this fact. if your goal is to make $10 millions dollars a year, but you only make $100,000 this year, raising your income to $5 million next year isn't a failure just because you didn't make the $10 million. it is the same principle.
You're right but you're comparing a personal goal to a competition where there's one goal... I think there's a difference... but I was just making a fat chick joke which is always funny IMO... I do think it's a huge accomplishment the team has made it to the post season this often... It's just not the same as winning it all thats all:up:
but I don't think there is just one goal in pro-sports. there is the ultimate goal, a championship, but I am sure most athletes would achknowledge the steps of success it takes to achieve that goal and are not dismissive of those steps simply because they don't lead to the ultimate goal every season. like I said, if a team goes 1-15 one year and then makes the conference championship the next, that season isn't considered a failure because they didn't win the Super Bowl, because the team knows that that season is the foundation for a continued imnprovement that will lead to a Super Bowl Championship.
I agree with what you're saying... of course there's achievements during the course of a season and not every season is a failure... it's just not winning it all...thats all I'm sayin'... like I said... It was a fat chick joke... That's all... And even if we don't win it all this year, I'll be disappointed but happy with the overall progress of the team
Well, i can conclude from your posts thet you either, a) like having sex with fat girls and like to make the playoffs and want to win a championship or b) you don't like having sex with fat girls and since in your anaolgy a fat girl is the playoffs you dont like the playoffs.... Its ok man, we all make mistakes sometimes.
If you're trying to pick a fight... whatever... find someone else.. I'm finished paying attention to you...
He said it's like making the playoffs and NOT winning a championship. Unless you enjoy making the playoffs and not winning the title, I'm not sure why you're trying to argue with him.
I disagree that success without the Trophy is meaningless. A respected organization that fields a perennial contender is worthwhile. Is there really no difference between the Jets 1970-1979 and the Jets 1997-2007?
The goal in the NFL is to win the Super Bowl...how is getting to the playoffs successful if you don't meet your goal?
Of course i enjoy making the playoffs. And of course i would want the title also. But all i was saying was that his analogy was terrible, which it is if you go back and look at it. I dont understand whats wrong with that.
