Jets #1 on opening drives

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  1. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    We wont have a winning season next year...Or ever under Gase so dont even hope for it.
     
  2. Section 336

    Section 336 Well-Known Member

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    This time 1000.

    Anybody who watches footballl can see that Allen has a hard time hitting the side of a barn with a high number of passes.
    Trent Dilfer is HOF because he won a SB right or Flacco for that matter.
     
  3. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    Sure, but not every QB has equal opportunity to lead game winning drives week in and week out.

    I think GWD % would be better, how many times is a QB successful in their given opportunities.
     
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  4. dmw

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    Why do they have trouble after the 1st drive? Could it be that the other team makes adjustments and the Jets have no effective counter adjustments because of the lack of talent on offense? Or maybe Gase is just an idiot and he can't make adjustments. I think the former explanation is more likely. Does anyone have any other possibilities?
     
  5. ColoradoContrails

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    Yes, a GWD% might be useful, but the reality is that the belief that a player is "clutch" isn't necessarily boiled down to, or captured by, a number. Namath was believed to be clutch, but he had a career losing pct.. Starr, Montana, Bradshaw, Elway, Favre, Brady to name a few considered to be clutch, although I don't know what their winning pct. was, or if we could calculate it, what their GWD% was, but these guys won critical games, even if those didn't represent the majority of the games they played and that's why they earned their reputation. It's mostly subjective and based on the collective belief of fans. When/if Sam brings the Jets back from 2+ TDs a few times, especially in playoff games, he'll earn the "clutch" label, until then, it's just conjecture.
     
  6. ColoradoContrails

    ColoradoContrails Well-Known Member

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    Well if they have enough talent to do it once, it proves they have enough talent. What is provides evidence, if not proof, is that their CS can't make adjustments quickly enough...IOW, a coaching problem.
     
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  7. J-Raw24

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    Opening-drive Darnold since Week 8: 81.3 comp%, 4 TD, 0 INT, 131.0 passer rating, per NFL Media Research.

    Darnold's making Adam Gase's initial game script sing! Unfortunately, the magic quickly fades:

    Rest-of-game Darnold since Week 8: 59.1 comp%, 11 TD, 7 INT, 84.2 passer rating.

    Making a great first impression is nice, but the subsequent slog kinda negates all positive vibrations -- and leaves the Jets at dead last in total offense.


    Says it all... absolutely no adjustments. Gase just can't coach.
     
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  8. NYJFOREVER

    NYJFOREVER Well-Known Member

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    I posted this in a different thread, but I'll repost it here because it fits.



    Also, here is Tannehill's splits in 2019 with the Titans.

     
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  9. ColoradoContrails

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    So to summarize, Darnold and Tannehill, playing with a HC that doesn't know how to make in-game adjustments, both do worse in the 2nd half of games, but Tannehill, playing for a HC that DOES know how to make in-game adjustments does BETTER in the 2nd half.

    Seems pretty clear what the common denominator is.
     
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  10. HomeoftheJets

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    The sample sizes are small enough, and the concept in question is specific enough that I'm not convinced it means anything. But I also wouldn't be surprised if it does mean something.
     
  11. NYJFOREVER

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    It could be a result of Gase not knowing how to adjust, but it could be a coincidence.

    2016 Ryan Tannehill Splits:

    1st Half:
    Completions/Attempts: 122/187
    Comp %:65.24
    Yards: 1322
    TDs: 7
    INTs: 5
    Passer Rtg: 87.2

    2nd Half:
    Completions/Attempts: 137/198
    Comp %: 69.19
    Yards: 1623
    TDs: 12
    INTs: 7
    Passer Rtg: 99.4

    So Tannehill's second half stats in 2016 are actually better than his first half, but these numbers really don't show the whole picture. You'd have to look at how certain drives went, did they get short field and punch it in on the goal line?

    Could they be correlated? Sure, but you can't tell from the stats.
     
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  12. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    Most analysts say he was bad at adjustments in Miami and Chicago as well. I wonder what his stats with Cutler were in Chicago and 2017/2018 in Miami. Granted qbs changed and injury etc. 2016 for me he was riding someone else's roster but it would still be Gase's gameplan not sure how much effect that has.
     
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    Ask and ye shall receive, I was already looking at this.

    Jay Cutler 2017 Splits:

    1st Half
    Completions/Attempts: 133/204
    Comp %: 65.20
    Yards: 1295
    TDs: 8
    INTs: 9
    Passer Rtg: 77.6

    2nd Half:
    Completions/Attempts: 133/225
    Comp %: 59.11
    Yards: 1371
    TDs: 11
    INTs: 5
    Passer Rtg: 83.8

    I also took a look at Sam Darnold's gamelogs for 2019 and 4 of his 6 second half interceptions came against NE (2) and Jacksonville (2). His other two 2nd half INTs came against Dallas (1) and Miami (1).

    On a side note, he's actually been very good with the ball since the first Miami game. 15 touchdowns to 4 interceptions, 2 rushing touchdowns and 2 fumbles lost.
     
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  14. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    What I posted was just since week 8. He has 7 ints after the first drive of games just since week 8... but that the vad part is only 11 td and 59% completion.. 4 td and 81.3 % completion on fiest drive. He has also lead to several FGs on first drivd. Basically he's been great at the scripted part then it goes to crap. 7 games isn't a long time but its enough to call a streak. Hopefully it gets better but if not Gase needs to go. We can't rely on every team to be as bad as Pitt is without Big Ben.
     
  15. jetophile

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    Hahaha.
     
  16. jetophile

    jetophile Bruce Coslet's Daughter

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    The Jets are 1/1 in bringing opening drives to . . . I forget. :mad::mad::mad:
     
  17. Footballgod214

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    The point of my post wasn't "Why can't we continue the success of our first drive???" or " Gase sucks!!!".

    All 32 teams from the worse to the best have 16 opening drives throughout the season. That's 16x32=512 opening drives.

    And our NY Jets are tops in the league. Not NE. Not Seattle. Not even the Ravens. But our Jets.

    It's OK to be #1 in at least one category, even though that fact badly irks the 'Never-Gaser' crowd.
     
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  18. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    Most of us would rather be good at winning games and consecutively contending for a Lombardi than scoring on opening drive. Im the past 8 games we have scored between 66 and 77 points total on tds not counting our opening drives. Thats about what the teams actually contending score in 2 games. Even with the opening drive points in those games we have scored about what they do in 3 games. This opening drive thing is pretty sad.
     
  19. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    You're not allowed to give him credit for anything or give the team credit for anything without making sure you make it known that it's in spite of Gase.
     
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  20. J-Raw24

    J-Raw24 Well-Known Member

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    Again i use facts you come in with your blind logic. Just like we beat quality teams even though none of the teams we beat are playoff teams. They are all flawed teams. On top of that we lost to what is probably 2 of the worst 3 teams in the league.
     

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