When a GM comes in with a monster ego and removes your two most talented players in Robby and Jamal due to not being "his guys" he deserves as much blame as Gase. He made our roster worse. Not better. Robby is #6 in the NFL in receiving yards with 20/24 receptions. I was begging for JD to sign Robby during the off-season but instead he became a cheapskate and instead of locking up an undrafted GEM he signed a former FIRST ROUND BUST in Periman and now Sam looks like crap because of it. No longer has a deep threat that can take the top off a defense and Sam misses Robby so bad right now. Fk JD. He needs to be fired too. He'll draft two busts and none will become a 1st team all pro and future HOF player like Adams is becoming. JD is trash. A former O Lineman who SUCKED as an OLineman himself.
Thanks for this. With Tampa Bay having so little cap space, maybe Chris Godwin will hit FA and we'll have a chance to sign him. The Steelers aren't in great shape, so maybe Smith-Schuster is available as well. The Bills, Seahawks, Chiefs, Niners, Titans, Saints, and Packers are all towards the bottom. We can possibly pick up some good players from those teams. After taking a quick look at those teams, unfortunately, I don't think we'll find much help. Most of the players that will be possible FAs who are better are around 30. We might be able to find a player or two that can help us for a couple of years, but right now it's not too exciting. From the Titans one or both of Jonnu Smith and Corey Davis might become available. From the Packers, some of the following may become available: Allen Lazard, Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Tyler Ervin, Kevin King From the Vikings Yannick Ngakoue could be available as could Bud Dupree of the Steelers Todd Gurley of the Falcons and Leonard Fournette of the Bucs could be available Forrest Lamp of the Chargers could become available
In my little world I thought Josh Allen was the clear #2 guy behind Darnold and pre-trade was really hoping we'd draft him. To be honest if I had the power to take us back in time and draft Allen and keep all those 2nd round picks I'd be tempted. But what has really kind of irritated me a bit is that quite a few (a couple over the top imho) posters on this board have just continued raking Josh Allen over the coals like he's no good at all while I watch the guy week in and week out drilling receivers right in the chest, stiffarming linebackers into the turf, rallying his team, pulling 3rd down conversion runs out of his top hat, and single handedly destroying the Jets a couple times now. The tape just doesn't lie. He's prone to a few erratic throws, wasted plays, and bonehead fumbles but taken as part of the entire package who the hell cares? Especially when one has to assume that over time and with more experience the bonehead incidents will become fewer and farther between. He's 10-1 TD/Int right now and completing 70% of his passes.
Howard Cosell could have made that commentary - it was pure "telling it like it is" but some here are quite fond of shooting the messenger and are willing to dismiss an entire objective review simply because they don't like the name on the byline. Hell, there are guys who wrote that they will never read a Mehta piece but criticized it anyway. .There's no reason to be so defensive about what was pointed out and, as noted, no reason to live in the past - what MacCagnan and Idzik (and a dozen others) did is history that will never change. As one guy pointed out above there's only a handful of their draft picks left on the team. Nobody is calling for Douglas to be canned but it is fair to point out the things he has done or hasn't done that are contributing to the state of the team. Adams and Anderson are the two biggest problems that are JD's to own and probably not finding at least one more receiver, especially when Anderson was gone. Not only are two key productive players gone but two more gaping holes have been created to add to the list. No one has mentioned what I see as the most critical thing in the article and can be the biggest problem going forward if it is actually exists and it is one short sentence that I want to know more about. Mehta wrote "His disjointed and erratic communication skills to those outside of the building have been a significant issue" in talking about the departure of Adams and Anderson. This is a problem if based in fact and a problem that will continue to subvert the efficiency of the position. Has anyone heard what this may be about? Could it possibly be because Douglas, Johnson and Gase were all pulling in a different direction?.
Deserves alot of credit for this shit high school roster, probably wants his own QB and Coach , next season
I didn't read the linked article because I won't read anything Manish Mehta writes at this point. My take on the talent situation here is that the prior to 2020 the Jets basically had a zero draft rating for the prior decade. They did draft a few good players but they probably hit on less than 10% of their picks over the course of a decade. That would flatline any NFL roster. There are no workarounds for flunked the draft for 10 years straight. Then in a desperation move in 2018 the Jets traded away 3 high seconds to move up THREE spots and take a QB in a draft that nobody had figured out yet. They did this despite being a low talent roster. They did this despite having a wiped out OL and no main WR's to speak of. They did this despite the fact that there were 4 or 5 potential QB's in the draft that nobody could quite figure out. Joe Douglas was hired in the spring of 2019, post draft, and asked to clean up the mess. In the fall of 2020 he has one draft under his belt and has cleaned up a couple of messes already, those being the largely non-functional OL and the loudmouthed franchise SS who was never going to work out in the timeframe the Jets had to deal with the problem. He has inherited several large guaranteed contracts attached to unproductive players and there wasn't much he could do about those. Leveon Bell clearly wasn't going to be a highly productive player for the Jets after sitting out a year in Pittsburgh. The thing to realize about players who are all about their money is that they're all about their money. That's what's important to them. Why a team would want a player who was money-focused is beyond me but this is one of the Jets huge misunderstandings about how the NFL works. Bill Parcells fired nearly every player he coached who brought up money as a primary motivator. That's why Hugh Douglas got kicked down the road. That's why Keyshawn got kicked down the road. Parcells paid people when he had too but he knew damn well why he was making each transaction. The Jets see big player in great situation asking for lots of money and they can't help themselves. They pay big player money to come to the Jets and then they get nothing out of it because the Jets are a horrible situation not a great situation and it doesn't matter how much money you play big player to come here he's still doing jacksquat in a horrible situation. He's happy though because he got his money. What Joe Douglas decided to do this spring was very Parcellsian. He took the guys focused on their money and he kicked them down the road. He signed free agents to generally reasonable contracts that the Jets could get out of with not a lot of hassle if it didn't work out. He didn't spend a single dime on a player in a great situation to bring them to the Jets horrible situation. There was no point to doing that in 2020 because he knew, as we all knew, that the Jets talent situation was terrible and that there wasn't much that could be done about that before the 2021 draft. He did trade down a few times in the 2020 draft because a roster on life support can use whatever extra help is available and he did make a big trade, however he did it cheaply, not locking the Jets into contracts they couldn't get out of next year if they had to. The fan base is frothing at the mouth right now, however this is largely because nobody really spelled out what the Jets issues were going into the season. The Jets were ranked at the bottom of the power rankings before they ever snapped a football this year. That's because a large number of sports forecasters can easily collectively see the forest for the trees. Fans, well we can't do that as well because we're emotionally invested.
If we really are at the point where the GM is bailing on Sam Darnold then wow - that happened quickly. I am used to getting a little more than this. O'Brien gave me 1985 and most of 1986. Testaverde gave me 1998 and weird but thrilling rides in 2000 and 2001. Chad gave me 2002, 2004 and even toyed with me in 2006, the little tease. Even Mark Sanchez gave me more than this before his wheels fell off. Darnold has given me a handful of games.I feel cheated. Who's up next?
People forget the draft picks we gave up to get Sam turned out to be a waste. Mayfield was the only QB chosen by the other top 5 picks. We basically gave away a bunch of second rounders for nothing. We could have stayed at 6 and still had our choice. It was just reason #48 of why we fail to build solid teams.
When that next pick after taking Sam was a 25 yr old small school DT w an injury history..i just knew they hadnt learned anything at all. Still zero intention of building an actual offense. Sam was just to appease fan uproar & to have a new scapegoat
He has a Favre like ability at his best to win you games but also to totally kill you in games. Last week he gave the Rams continued short fields that if it wasn't for a dodgy PI penalty would of handed them their first loss. Good coaching, good recruitment and a pretty good D hands him an increased margin for error when he makes mistakes but when it comes to knockout Football in the new year then he's going to have to ride a streak of luck to take them to and win a Lombardi against the very top teams. I'm not saying he won't fall into a lucky 3 game streak and have it happen at least once (Buster Douglas took down Iron Mike after all!) but the 'bust' will always get you more often the the 'boom' in the longterm. Speaking of which the other longterm problem with Allen is he can't/won't be playing in this league late like Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Co because running around with one hand on the ball and smashing up linebackers is going to wear him down.
Michael Gallup just went for 6/138 and a touchdown and Orlando Brown is a Pro Bowler but I'm glad we found an OK rotational run stopper who will be out of the league in two years.
I agree with all of this, but especially important is the price for Adams. Seattle and Adams are a good match b/c Adams is a final piece of a SB puzzle. After this season, we will see if Adams still wants to get paid the big bucks. He may be happy with a team-friendly deal since he's on a perennial SB contender. With the Jets, even if JD does everything right, it will be a few years before the Jets are SB contenders. The Jets and Adams weren't a good fit for the present.
I heard an expert (someone that knows a LOT more than me) say there will be many free-agent talents available after this season. I'm not sure why or if it's true, but if so, that explains why the Jets sat on so much cap space this season. The Jets may do a major overhaul next offseason.
Joe Douglas had a whole year to evaluate what he needed and this is the roster he put together. There is 53 man roster not just 22 starters. The injuries is a excuse. I don’t want to hear about how good of a GM he is like everyone knows. You don’t know - Right now his FA moves he didn’t make have killed him and he’s FA moves he’s made have been terriable.
The same was true with Joe Walton. I met Tony Paige when he was on the Joe Walton Jets and he said that the plays were incredibly complicated and that when given the play to bring into the huddle, players would sometimes forget the play or just get it wrong.
I agree with your take ... my only comment is that I think that Parcells made a mistake in trading both Douglas and Keyshawn....those were two very good players that were drafted by us and should have been rewarded by us. You can’t say you want to do it the right way and build through the draft and then not resign your draft picks when they excel. We lost a TON of attitude and production on offense when we got rid of Keyshawn. Douglas too, but at least Parcells found John Abraham...of course we got rid of him as well and we’ve been looking for pass rush ever since. Same with Revis...I hated his holdouts as much as anyone, but he was the best corner in the league...the very definition of shut down corner, and we traded him too. The sad part is that we consistently refuse to pay our own, but then shell out stupid money to outside guys. With respect to the Adams trade, I’m ok with the trade because (1) strong safety is not a foundational building block, and while He is clearly a very good player who significantly elevated the defense, as we can now see how we suck without him, he still wasn’t a game changing safety like an Ed Reed was...a ball hawking turnover machine, and (2) at this point in time, this roster is so depleted that we need the two first round picks more than we need a great safety. It’s like having an all pro Guard...yes you’d like to have that piece, but I’d rather have the all pro Tackle and a very good Guard than the other way around. Similarly, I’d rather have the all pro corner and the very good safety than the other way around. You need to have the foundational pieces....QB, Pass Rusher, OT, CB, and in this day and age, WR. So I hope that JD will have better drafts than our last 4 GMs have had (hey, there’s really no way he can do any worse than those clusterfucks), that he can build a foundation, and then that we actually are able to keep our stars instead of trading them away with stupid excuses about how they aren’t worth the money. Great players won’t come cheap.
