It was clearly the direction of the wind in the Black Hole coupled with the fact that Kerry Collins had a stubbed toe so that he couldn't throw at the appropriate arm angle which is 92.5 degrees. He only threw at a 90 degree angle which means their center didn't snap the ball correctly leading to a block field goal to end the half of a preseason game killing the Raiders chances at competing.
Please spare us this stuff. The Raiders had a bad record in 2005 because the coaching staff and the personnel blew.
Mike Williams, Roy Williams, Charles Rodgers, and Corey Bradford. I'm sure homers would make guys like Eddie Drummond, Paris Hamilton, and Glenn Martinez sound much better then they are like you're doing with Francis and co. If I guy like Francis has "great hands" and was the fastest guy at the 2004 combine why isn't he a #1 receiver? Sounds a little fishy to me and there has to be a major flaw that you're not pointing out. The Lions have 3 #1 receivers, a #2 receiver, and a solid group of #4 receivers. Better then the Raiders, but since the Raiders never run the God damn ball they make below average receivers look great.
Sorry but I don't know what youir point is. How is francis not a number 1? (now do you mean draft choice or .number 1 WR on team) You seriously can't be talking about where he was drafted(what round) Terell Owens and Steve Smith both were drafted in third round,just shows how dumb that statement is. WR of all positions, non first rounders have had more sucess than first round draft choices. Now if you are talking about number 1 on team. Its a little hard to get time when you have R Moss(best deep threat in game, 2 J Porter , Gabriel and a guy with world class speed - Alvis Whitted(fastest Raider) when you run a Deep vertical offense you need guys like him that can stretch the field. Lets see you have fastest player timed at 2004 combine, versus a player with world class speed ALvis Whitted. HMm BTW DO your homework next time Detriot so unhappy with Both Rodgers and M williams is that they are talking about releasing maybe both of them. YEa they are both numbers 1 Wrs like L Coles a Number 1 WR. LMAO. .
Sorry Donnie but you are completely off base here. The Raiders have a great Wide Receiver group, but there are better ones out there and ones with more depth and potential. Unfortunately I dont think the Lions are one of them :sad: Give me the Colts, Bengals, Broncos, etc. Lions have 3 underachieving first round draft picks. For all we know Rogers might be out of the league in 1-2 years. Mike Williams needs to turn it up this year and Roy needs to stay out of the trainers room. Bradford is a good 3rd guy who can burn, Drummond is a good sparkplug and Vines is a good Chrebet type reliable player. I think they have a 1b in Roy Williams who is not quite a #1 yet but looks like he will develop into one. I think Mike is currently a situational player who can use his size but hasn't put it all together and I refuse to even put Rogers on the Depth chart until he has a good headline once in a while...
Your entitled to your opinion but you you are wrong. NO one, not the Colts, Broncos,or Bengals have any where close to depth and talent Raiders have at WR. Its not even close. Those teams defintely had better QB play. You could have all talent at skill positions but you still need someone to deliver the football . (or its useless) Hopefully with A walter or A Brooks that part of equation will be alot better.
The Bengals have far better WR talent than Oakland. Perhaps some Skeletor face paint found its way into your eyeballs.
I think New york dumped too much garbage in New Jersey. The fumes are starting to get to you. With C Palmer maybe not ready for season, we will see the numbers those Wrs put up. Case In point J morant not C rodgers was number 1 WR coming out of high school. Morant6'4 217 made mistake going to syracuse when D MCNabb wasn't the QB. Hence you don't have a QB to get you the ball .(hard to look good)
Once I hear the name Morant mentioned more than once in this year's Raiders/Jets game, I will get back to you. Until then, good luck trying to sway people by giving them height and weight only.
Bengals Top four WrsListed on depth chart. C Johnson- 6'1 192 TJ Houshmandzadeh 6'1 197, Tab Perry 6'2 215 and Chris Henry 6'4 200 Versus Raiders R Moss 6'4 205 , J Porter 6'2 220 , D Gabriel and R Curry 6'2 220(since he coming off serious injury) will replace him with J morant 6'4 215. Now I will give you C Johnson might be better allround WR out of both teams wrs..(R Moss best deep threat in game) NO way those other three WRs are as good as Raiders.
Yea Its real important to put up numbers ,on a nonplayoff team(Jets) , to validate your ability. Just remember who gave you the Morant Tip. You will know the name pretty soon.
I live closer to Philadelphia than shitass New York, but that's beside the point. What does high school have to do with the NFL? The Bengals 5 deep at WR is one of the best we've seen in the NFL in some years. Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh form one of the better starting tandems in the league. Chris Henry is a good third receiver (well, assuming his legal troubles don't get him cut or benched). Kelley Washington and Tab Perry are the next in line. Perry has a chance to be a starter down the road. He's got some ability. I'll assume you haven't seen him play yet. Earlier in this thread, I was backing you on the Gabriel claim. But then you got out of control on Francis and Morant. The Raiders WR corps is pretty good. They've got two good ones in Moss and Gabriel and two good ones who are frequently injured in Porter and Curry. Whitted is a fringe player. The others are not worth mentioning.
Oh, I almost forgot about this. Who is your QB? Is it Mr. Inconsistant? ^ Or are you gonna go with this one?
It's amazing the level of devotion you have to your team. They just keep on sucking and you not only keep drinking the Kool-aid, you make it your damn mission to sell it too! Raiders suck, they have a shitty owner who no one wants to coach for. They have numerous head cases, who no one wants to coach. They are in a division full of teams no one wants to coach against (maybe not KC now that Herm is there). Randy Moss is great no doubt, but the only way a team would be willing to trade a player (Porter) is if they know he is overrated and not very good. So if Gabriel or Curry or Morant or Francis or whoever the fuck else you pull out of your hat, can't get a shot in that scenario, they must not be very good either. Furthermore, if they were so good, why did 31 teams pass on them? The Colts have a much better group of receivers, the Jaguars have much better potential. Lay off the smack RaiderJoke, and oh yeah, go back and answer my other questions
Chad Johnson and Houshmanetc... is not Better than R Moss and J Porter. You throw in D gabriel and he blows away Tab perry or C Henry. R Curry is healthy(reports are hes close to ) than you don't even have a leg to stand on . R curry nickname isn't 7eleven- as in always open for nothing. You might not be buying J morant, but Im not selling. Kids going to be a big time WR (Just wait and see) http://www.raiders.com/uploads/photos/perm/main/OMLBHGFHCABH/050706gallerysp-29.jpg
Stop giving sizes as your argument for being a good WR. WR is not solely based on size. The best and 2nd best WR to ever play the game (Jerry Rice and Tim Brown) were both only 6'0" It's also pointless to list their heights 15 times in this thread... don't waste your time.
ITs going to be A Brooks or A Walter. It will be either one of those two QBs. IF Brooks wins the job, who cares what he did IN New Orleans. What did Steve young do in tampabay, before coming to the 49ers. Brooks is coming to an offense that fits his style best. Deep vertical offense, and ask D culpepper and C Pennington what a healthy R Moss, can do for your career. Now Let me ask you a Question, You hire hall of famer olineman(ART shell) as your coach. another hall of fame Olineman J slater as cooffensiveline coach with Irv Eatman. What do you think Raiders will be doing on offense next year. Playing power football and setting up the deep pass with the run. IF A Brooks can buy a second or two , it could make all the diffrence in the World . R Moss even with a CB and its as good as hes open. (ask Deangelo Hall)
You do understand that Brooks had a great receiving core with Horn, Stallworth, Boo Williams, McAlister, et al, yet still was Mr. Disappointment his entire NFL career.
