It IS all part of the learning curve. In Mark's case, his learning curve may be something easier to improve upon than one might see on the surface. But this is all going to depend on MArk Sanchez. I am talking about his mental approach to the game. As Rodimus is labeling, he's a "gamer." Well, he needs to lose that bullshit for now. He needs basic fundamentals down, not improvement on what he thinks will get it done... more "gaming" and gunslinging into double coverage. He's probably saying to himself, "I know what I'll do... there are three defenders down there and they'll never expect me to throw it in there, so here goes and I'll fool them all." He's WAY over thinking right now. Piss poor percentage play and he's learning this the very hard and embarrassing way now, as his INTs pile up. You can just read Ryan's face on the sidelines... he'd strangle him if he could for some of these mental mistakes. So yeah, it's the learning curve. Mark's a Southern Californication star who still thinks he can run around slinging it here and there and handling the ball in the pocket with one hand while trying to get that first down by himself while sliding head first. Sanchez' career will benefit in the offseason by going back to square one and learning the art of ball control and boring, run-first, pass to checkdowns if necessary, grind out 3rd down conversions-type football. Leave all the flash behind and learn the basic art of boring, sustained, solid-playmaking, ball-control drives.
This is so, unfortunately. We forstalled going after a QB as far back as several years ago. Now we're paying the price. We've got a Freshman QB on the same field with a bunch of seasoned Seniors. And these guys have to endure the learning curve of this new, happy-go-lucky puppy under center. It's a shame. Had we not fiddle-fucked around so long with Pennington and then the nightmarish year with Breet Favre (and perhaps gone after Flacco instead, for example, and taken our lumps last year), we might have been in a far better position right now. But hey, who the hell knows? I only hope that if Sanchez improves and finally comes into his own, it's not too late and that we haven't lost the exceptional talent we have on the team right now. Jones will be getting older, Leon, most of our Def, etc. It'll be our luck to have Sanchez finally mature and be surrounded with aging, injury-ridden veterans or God forbid, replacements who are not of the same caliber as we have now.
I think with Tannenbaum and Rex in charge we'll be ok and replace guys as needed. As Rex mentioned, every team has the same budget every year, there's no excuse for not being competitive. It's not like we have to rebuild a whole team at once, there's a lot of youth and some veterans.
You do realize that we lost a key player on O that would have made the screen much more effective right? What about the fact that the play selection grows throughout the season. They don't have the whole playbook down and ready to go until 6-7-8 games in, which invariably adds more information. All you do is shit on Sanchez, so maybe you should just go polish your KC rookie card collection or something. Blurting off half stats that only support you points is hardly the mark of a realist.
I refuse to put all the blame on Sanchez. Our offensive plays are so poor and predictible. We ALWAYS are in 3rd and long situations making the throw and obvious call. We don't have Leon Washington to be around for a short dump pass as an option when there is no one open down the field. We also need another wide receiver. Brad Smith is good for a trick play here and there but we need another guy to get open besides Cotcherty, Edwards, and Keller. Mark definitely makes his share of mistakes but he's trying to make things happen instead of continuing to go Run Run Pass Punt. Hopefully these mistakes go away after a year of experience. Look at Troy Aikman's first year - He finished 1989 with an 0-11 record as a starter, completing 155 of 293 passes for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs. So, Sanchez is learning on the run as we fix other parts of this team. Despite all of the interceptions, there are FIVE games we blew - 2 vs. Dolphins, Jaguars, Bills, and Falcons. If we figured out how to win just ONE of them, we'd be sitting in much better shape. Rex Ryan needs to take some of this blame. The defense needs to take some of this blame. The offense needs to take some of this blame. Special teams needs to take some of this blame. And Sanchez needs to take some of the blame. Oh, and Mike Tannenbaum needs to take some blame not drafting a Wide Receiver in this past year's draft with any of the other picks.
I totally agree. Guys we chose to start a rookie QB this year with no quality veteran QB on the bench. This is EXACTLY what we signed up for. This is compounded by Sanchez's lack of College experience as a starter. Fact is, we may need to suffer through lots more INT's next year too. Don't expect the guy to turn into John Elway in one off-season. If the Jets are smart they will sign an affordable, Jeff Garcia type backup QB as an insurance policy. That should have happened before this year and Sanchez should be holding a clipboard this season.
First of all, why do you take this kind of thing so personally? I really don't understand how you in effect identify on an emotional level with certain Qb's, of course not all of them, and then seem to take affront to discussions of him that are more objective in nature than you care for. I don't hate Sanchez. I am beginning to dislike the uncritical, homeristic, throw all the rest of the team under the bus kind of thing we used to see all too often from Chad Fans such as yourself, though. I of course never said everything is his fault - that kind of binary thinking is also typical of your defensiveness when it came to discussing Chad and now, apparently, Sanchez, too. Try not to make this discussion so personal. If there's a point I make that you disagree with, feel free to argue the merits. Otherwise you will descend to the same lack of credibility you had when you went to the lengths you did defending Chad.
Here's what you don't get: We've started over. This team is Mark Sanchez's team. When the Jets coaching staff and front office decided to draft him, they decided to start over. This team (the offense at least) as to be built AROUND him. We obviously haven't thrown the rest of the team under the bus. The defensive play is stellar. The lack of pass rush is a huge problem, but we're still at the top of the league in most categories. The offense was never very good...even with experienced quarterbacks. The offensive line is an awesome run blocking unit, but they're very mediocre against in pass protection. Tannenbaum tried to bring in more firepower with Braylon Edwards and that has actually hurt Sanchez's development...it seems like Schottenheimer is forcing Sanchez to get him the ball. Keller is basically a non-factor in this offense now. If you knew this game, you'd know that Mark Sanchez would be a hot and cold quarterback at first. He has all of the mental and physical attributes needed to succeed in the NFL...he just needs to develop. I can't believe that all of you expected this team to be some sort of great playoff caliber team. It never was. It has to be built into one of those teams.
Anybody who posts the truth about sanchez (e.g. that he is not a good QB and hasn't played well) is bizarrely accused of "hating" Sanchez. The facts are that he isn't very good. Sanchez would probably be the first to agree w/that. I like the guy - he just isn't playing good at QB. Its to be expected somewhat in that he is a rookie and playing QB in the NFL is alot harder than in college. We all get that. However it doesn't change the fact that he isn't a good NFL QB at this point.
At least I am addressing the facts. I understand that Leon went down. The Jets are not the only team who has injuries. The rest of the O has in fact been quite healthy, including most critically the OL. If that is the only substance you have to support your argument, that strikes me as something less than half stats. And ftr I had no preference for Clemens before Sanchez started. But yes, I admit, I question whether it did much good to start Sanchez all but one game this season. Do you think he is improving? Have any stats, half or otherwise, anything objective at all to base it on?
Yes We all get that. You don't seem to get that we get it. That still doesn't change the fact that Sanchez isn't a good NFL QB at this point.
No, you don't. You all expect him to be some sort of godly quarterback and that's not going to happen right away. SOME of the pieces are in place, but not everything is there yet. Solid running game: Check Solid RUN blocking offensive line: Check Solid PASS blocking offensive line: Nope Rookie QB Friendly System/Offensive Coordinator: Nope I never said that Mark Sanchez was good this season, and I didn't expect him to be either. I know he will EVENTUALLY become a very good quarterback for this team.
All fine points but don't bother making them. You're arguing with AS which means your average pillow is more likely to comprehend your assessment.
If you look at Mark's first game against Houston he was 18-31, 272 Yards, 1 TD and 1 INT. That game he actually looked the best, the most comfortable and relaxed and fluent in the pocket. Also for the following 3 games he still looked comfortable in the pocket and was average 28 passes a game. We all know what happened in that Saints game. From that point on with the media and fans buzzing they began to reel Sanchez in and made start second guessing himself. Since that point he was dialed back further and further all the while putting further doubt in his rookie head. I agree with you that he has gotten worse, but I think the CS is to blame. You'll say it's because they got film on him, yadda yadda yadda, but they took Mark's natural ability away because they panicked too soon. At this point in the season where he had he best game, Houston is ranked 12th against the pass. His next best game was the second game vs Miami after they had plenty of tape and that game he threw the ball 35 times not 15. He was 20-35, for 265 yards and 2 TD's, no INT's. In that game he was allowed the full playbook and he looked great that game. So my point is the Jets just need to stop treating him with kid gloves and let him play, because he can play when he doesn't have to over think every single snap and worry what color he's operating to.
Flacco and Ryan really ruined the curve. If they never had those seasons, Sanchez's year would be considered normal.
Everyone who complains that Sanchez hasn't developed and Shotty sucks ignores the fact that he has no outlet option since Leon went down and since Stuckey was traded we have one WR who actually can run a decent route that you can utilize a pass patern on. How would Tom Brady look without Faulk and Welker to dump balls off to all game long. They catch everything and are wide open on every play. This team doesn't have a safe check down option because Jones and Greene can't catch the ball in traffic and Edwards who is a physical beast is totally undesiplined. Keller has shown that he has ability but he is far from a polished TE. He has been a major disappointment to date. Sanchez was much better when we had Stuckey and Leon.
Well, if we are talking stats, heh, and acknowledging that Qb rating does not take fumbles into account, then the Oakland game (game 7) is technically his best game so far. But even your reference to the Miami game does not support your argument that he's being treated with kid gloves as the season progresses, since that was game 8, and he had a better game (except for a fumble) in the second Miami game than the first. Both the Carolina game and the second Buffalo game were games he played somewhat better than his average, followed by Sunday's awful showing. The numbers arguably show a decline overall over the course of the season, but it has not been a consistent descent, and in fact what marks his play is consistent inconsistency. The real question that none of us really know the answer to is why this is happening. I am skeptical of the blame the coaches for everything take on it, but I don't really know they are not responsible. Ryan thought that changing up the approach was indicated, which is why they went to the color coding, and it led to improvement, or so it seemed. But they also had that in against Atlanta and he threw three more int's. Strange...
This is going to take a new offensive coordinator to enable because Schotty is not a safety first guy.
you're completely right. I started to hate the Edwards trade after I realized that Schotty has a new shiny toy to play with and it started to hurt Sanchez's development. And how come Keller isn't used more is beyond me. I want to chalk it up to a sophomore slump, but I know thats not the case. I also heard that when Keller is used in the TE off tackle position and not flexed wide he's most effective... probably because the defense has a tougher time guessing what's coming.
