I think the coaching is making the talent look worse than it is. Why when we have a horrible OL are we constantly in empty sets on 3rd and long?
Name instances where There was one or the other, not both. Bad Coach + Excellent Team = SB or Excellent Coach + Bad Team = SB Anyone?
More talent makes average coaches look better than they are. Good coaches appear to raise the talent level because they're able to put less talented players in position to be successful - in the case of the current Jets roster/coaching staff is that neither one is able to overcome the shortcomings of the other...
Barry Switzer and Pete Carrol are two off the top of my head great teams, mediocre to bad coaching. The biggest SB mismatch the better team lost was probably the 2007 Giants defeating the 2007 Pats. Decent not great Giant team with a great HC defeated maybe the best team in modern NFL history with the greatest HC in modern day history.
Exhibit A/ average team/good CS I feel the 2007 NY Giants under Tom Coughlin was a team that was coached to a SB victory even though they had underwhelming talent. Brandon Jacobs was a 1000 yard RB. Plaxico was the only 1000 yard receiver they had. Eli threw for 3300 yards 23 TD and 20 INT, the secondary gave up more points than any secondary in the history of a playoff team. It was a very pedestrian 10-6 record, of all the victories Giants had that year, 7 came against teams that had sub .500 record. Giants had one pro bowler that year, Usi. One thing Giants had that year was 4 good pass rushers. No one expected anything from them as a wild card team. That’s my selection for a well coached team that overcame average talent.
Comparisons are so misleading. Most failures and successes are a combination of personnel and coach talent. One feeds on the other. When you have good personnel and bad coaching you totally sub optimize the team performance. Like wise great coaching maximizes mediocre talent but you can only go so far. Great teams with great coaching and GM are long term winners. I think our talent is marginal in some areas and good in others. The coaching is dismal and has been since TB landed in NY with his staff unknowns. The results are for real, even the talent in our team gets lost in the shuffle between bad execution and horrific game planning. Put great coaching in place, and give players a chance to show what they have. Then the GM is on the hook for the rest.
Excellent coach/bad team: Some of these patriot teams in recent years have been bad. any other coaching staff and they would've been like 7-9. Instead they've been to 7 straight AFC Championships and won 2 of the last 4 superbowls. bad coach/excellent team??? I always thought Ditka was way overrated as a coach and not very good. and the '85 bears are iconically awesome.
That's an astounding metric. That says something about the coaches. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk
Meh-Okay talent mixed with terrible coaching makes for a terrible team. The talent is better than the coaching for sure.
I'd say it is a bit of both, but 65% coaching and 35% "talent." Blown assignments week after week, pre-snap penalties, burned timeouts because of wrong personnel/confusion, stupidity in the form of unsportsmanlike penalties (and lack of accountability), poor play calling (ex. empty backfields on 3rd & Short), game & clock management that boggles the mind, etc., that's coaching. There hasn't been any sign of improvement over these past four seasons. Here's a nice illustration of poor coaching and lesser talent conspiring to doom another Jets drive. These "Baldy Breakdown" All 22 film bits are great. (Check out his Tweet-stream. He also has a nice breakdown on Jamal Adams today.)
It's both. Essentially it's clueless shit fukk ass prick cunt cock dick pussy ass face son of a prick asshole! I have Tourette's Syndrome. I lied.
I couldn't give a flying f^ck... STOP PROLONGING THE AGONY YOU FAKERS.. FIRE THIS MORONIC STAFF THATS ALL THAT MATTERS IMO
That’s awful! They also had a key redZone 3rd down and they only sent 2 receivers out for the pass AND they were in the same area! No wonder Bates only lasted 1 season the last time he was OC. He’s been terrible
I was literally screaming "Call fucking quick slant here, you fucking moron!" when I saw that play. Did you see the wide gap in the middle? Jags D was literally challenging Jets O to try there. Robby had ample cushion there as well. If he ran slant and went down immediately, that's a first down by a mile. Instead nobody is doing a damn thing. But yeap. Sam's pass is inaccurate. Like Mark-Sanchez-esque inaccurate. Right. I get it now.
I will say its coaching. Most of these guys this is their first gig, first impressions and first position coach in the NFL. This is Bowles team offense, defense and special teams. He hired these coaches. His inability to recognized opposing teams weaknesses or adjust to what a team is doing. The players are only calling the plays from the sidelines. I think the Jets have talent and enough of it to win in the NFL.
I think this is pretty dead on...Great coaches get the most out of their talent and like great players they make those around them better (Andy Reid), mediocre coaches can win w/ talent but won't improve upon the talent they've inherited (Rex Ryan), coaches like Bowles seem to subtract from their talent...I heard an interview w/ a NCAA basketball coach last year who was asked how his team committed so few turnovers, his answer was "players only know two things, what's tolerated and what's not"...and went on to say, players on his team that commit turnovers ride the bench...I thought that was so perfect. While Bowles doesn't seem to foster running a loose ship, his lack of ability to control things like penalties, turnovers, and at times very, very sloppy play shows his tolerance for it. He has gone through OC's like some people change their socks, that's directly on him...and he's kept a DC, his good friend, who's ultimately going to get him fired for lack of production while having a pretty good talent base over the past few years... I think at the end of the day the ultimate question is, does anyone think if Andy Reed was coaching this team they'd look this bad even w/ a rookie QB? If the answer is "no", and I believe it is, Bowles has to go. This from a guy who was excited to see Bowles get hired 4 years ago...I don't think the "Rookie QB" thing saves him here, maybe if it was year two, but four years of this...In fact I'd say the "Rookie QB" thing masks the real problem, it's not the cause of it...He lost me after year two when they couldn't close out a playoff spot playing a Pitt team with nothing to play for after a big win against NE...good coaches don't allow that to happen.
