Arians isn't Marty though, Arians never had a chance to become a HC. Marty was one already and failed miserably. He's going to have to do a lot of work with the Jets to become a HC again, but we'll see. His contract is going to get extended more than likely if the offense works out - he would have to go through the normal coordinator process to become a HC again. We will see though. If he does leave in the future, I hope we have a replacement.
Marty is one of the best OC in the game, you can go through and just look at the guys resume. It's clear he should be in the Jets long term plan and I think he will be. We are turning a corner and I think that we will surprise a lot of people this year despite having the talent level you would ideally want to see on offense and defense but this off-season was all about quality and shedding dead weight. I'm on record to say that MM and David Lee will be the best off-season moves the Jets made. I hope I'm right. EDIT: Forgot to stay on topic.. My bad. This thread is ig-nant, just straight ig-nant. OP - Thank you for your expert analysis on what to look for in order to be an AMAZING head coach. Oh, except you don't have a true clue on what to look for in a great coach? Why has all the successful ones been so successful? What was your answer again? Oh, right.. You don't have one. Ok.. Welp. Cool thread bro. Cool thread.
I think someone gives him another shot down the road, as bad as he was in Detroit they had a horrible horrible horrible front office but I can also see the offense eventually struggling, Eagles fans said somethings when we hired him and I seen some of it come to fruition week 1 I'm not saying I want him gone as he's been our best OC in the Rex era however I do think we can do better if the offense doesn't show enough improvement
sorry, that is not how successful organizations are structured. A CEO of a consumer product company is accountable for overall success of his company, but that doesn't mean he is an expert at every facet of the company. a head coach is like a CEO -- a brilliant strategist for the overall vision and strategy of the team/company, but not an expert at every element of it. successful organizations then hire experts in marketing, sales, logistics, offense, special teams, etc. obviously Rex is accountable for the overall success of the team, and if he can't lead his coordinators in a way they are successful he will lose his job. but defensive coordinators aren't hired as head coaches because they are expected to lead the offense. you hire an offensive coordinator to do that. being a subordinate to someone does not, in any way, shape or form equate to not being more of an expert than your boss in your field. A CEO that comes from Marketing is not a bigger expert in Finance than his CFO. or a CEO whose background is Finance isn't more of an expert in sales and marketing than his Director of Sales and Marketing. and smart CEO's know that and hire experts who will excel in those positions. this is simple stuff. you don't even have to have a background in football to understand that is how a team works. sports teams are organizations like any business, and successful organizations all succeed because of very basic principles that can then be applied broadly.
Idzik + Rex + MM + a decent QB = A damned good team. Is Geno that QB? Too early to tell. Superbowl? We'll need the QB, a few more good drafts/FA and some luck. But I think the first three guys on my list should be able do it if they stay together and work together for a few years.
This thread is so lame , really.....the way these fans think, it's wonder why the Jets should even bother with playing these games... just lock the fans out of the stadium and have them play strictly in front of a taped laugh track.
Only 3 or 4 teams in the league can have a top QB....a Brady, Manning, Rogers, etc. The other 28 teams can only hope to have a great HC.
Brady, Manning, Rogers, Brees, Peyton, Matt Ryan, Andrew Luck, Kaepernick, Roethlesberger are all elite. that is twice as many as you want to claim. and you could argue Schaub should be on the list.
Yep and if you WANTED to include Schaub, then I think you have to include Romo and possibly Rivers, Cutler, RG3, etc
Rex does not need to be an offensive specialist. But he needs to hold his OC accountable to execute his vision. He has pretty much had his way personnel wise. He recruited Shotty to stay and he Soprano was his guy as well. So one of two things here. Either they did not execute his vision or his offensive vision is the wrong one. Either way, he has done poorly managing his OC. I believe that a complete head coach should be able to do that. Not only has he not done it but he has intentionally removed himself from any of responsibility here. I believe that Woody and Idzik realize this and they brought in their pick which was MM. The point of this thread is to ask if Rex can have enough support to get beyond his short comings to get over the hump. Time will tell but I think based on the moves from WJ and JI that they realize this and are tying to address it moving forward. A lot of people have been saying that Rex is a lame duck. Analyzing these moves make me not so sure.
Why is this thread still alive? The OP has already admitted multiple times that he has no idea what makes a HC successful.
There will be 20 pages in this thread - posters chattering like wet hens in a funny farm about anything to do to with making things controversial.....like should Rex still be the coach after wining the 1st game of the season being a home team underdog.... Wait till the Jets lose their 1st game...
Absolutely. Like every other coach in the league, he just needs a franchise quarterback. Maybe Geno is the guy . . .
People need to get over the fact that Rex's demeanor is non-conventional for a head coach. Just because he is not a total hardass or as soporific in his engagement with the media does not mean he can't be successful. Rex breaks the mold and I think that is what makes people uncomfortable. I think Rex does have a vision for the offense despite what people say, and it is one that manages the game. He doesn't need an electric offense, just one that controls the clock and doesn't turn the ball over. He needs an offense that can give his defense a breather. All Rex needs is the right offensive coordinator and offensive personnel to carry out this simple vision, so lets hope Morningwegh and Geno are the guys. Finally, in no other city would Rex have to deal with such a farce of a media that totally detracts from what he does as a coach. It has not been easy and he is learning how to deal with it. Finally, my question to the Rex haters, who would you rather have??? Please name somebody that you would take over Rex and I will consider it.
Please feel free to dispute any part of my post with how your store manager runs the McDonalds you work at.
Two offensive coordinators have been held accountable -- they have been fired. You don't get more accountable than that. That isn't the same as saying he doesn't have anything to offer on offense. He has as much to offer as Bill Waksh had to offer on defense. There are no accounts of Bill Walsh being a defensive guru; he had some great defensive players and coordinators and he managed the offense and led and managed his coordinators.
You missed one. May I suggest you pick this up? http://www.amazon.com/Get-Coached-By-Rex-Ryan/dp/B0042AGN9Q If you don't think he's a good leader after watching this then you don't know what a good leader is. Not every coach in the NFL was asked to do this just so you know. Edit: Posted this up a while back...[youtube]SqywkdZi2Pc[/YOUTUBE] Rex is held accountable for the Sparano hire. Sparano is no longer here. Lest we so quickly forget that Schotty was a holdover from the Tangini era and probably agreed to keep Schotty on since he never tried to hire an OC before.
Your memory fails you. Shotty was jilted from being passed over for hc and rex convinced him to stay on like he did when we was passed over in favor of harbaugh
