Hutchinson should already KNOW what the depth chart looks like, if he is attending practices. I've been to 6, and I could tell him, if he wants to know. (at least what the first and second teams look like). Why should Mangini let other teams know which players are on the bubble and might get cut? I'd also have to think Mangini talks to BB and Parcells about this stuff. As far as spilling the beans about Martin.... if the Jets are looking for an RB in a trade, announcing that Martin is done weakens the team's negotiating position. If a trade partner thinks there is still a chance Martin could play, they lose a litle bit of leverage, something the Jets don't have much of right now, and it would only get worse if Martin retired. Huitchinson thinks he knows what the fans want to know? I don't think so. I want to know what's happening on the field in TC, which players are looking good, which ones are in trouble. These guys have eyes.... they know Pennington is the starter, but they will whine that Mangini hasn't said so? Pretty weak. They could project who the starters are very easilly, and look like real reporters, but they just don't get it.
The end all of this discussion comes down to one thing: if the Jets start winning, or begin turning in respectable performances, the ends will justify the means. If the Jets get out classed in every game like they did last year, then Mangini and his tactics will be rightfully questioned. Whatever the media wants to say about Mangini, his bunker mentality, his unwillingness to divulge information, one thing has become clear from day one: details matter. Watching Herm on NFL Network the other day during a TC practice, the guy is all over the map with his comments, he never once stopped a drill to repeat it and get it right, he was more cheerleader than coach. "Looking good, 44. Looking good." Like this 3rd string safety out of Pipsqueak U. is playing like Ronnie Lott. Give me a break! When you go 4-12 (after going 6-10 two years earlier), things gotta change. And they have. I think for the better, but only time will tell. And if I rember correctly, Parcells' first year with the Giants was horrible. So Mangini obviously has a lot to learn; but why does the media in NY think there's no room for learning or improvement. Jeezus, these asses are just starting to blog ... 8 years after the Internet became vogue. They ought to look in the mirror if they think they have all the answers.
Excellent post man. You're killing me with the blogging comment - oh, so true. :lol: On another note, I am pretty sure I read it around here, but isn't Mangini not focusing on player depth charts right now for a reason? He wants players to learn the systems and be focused on the details, not worrying and squabbling over where they are on the depth chart. I think it is a refreshing approach to playing football myself.
"......doesn?t let his assistant coaches talk to reporters, and he has been accused of limiting media access to his club." Who are we talking about here? Though they aren't exactly the same but they are cut from the same fabric. I dug this up while looking for insight into the Mangini; http://archive.profootballweekly.com/content/archives/features_1998/daily_081998.asp Maybe the media forgot how it used to be. Imagine if Mangini starts firing back. Maybe their lucky he just doesn't say anything. Look at Dallas right now, T.O. is using personell doctors for his hammy but when BP is asked how is he doing he says I don't know. Mean while T.O. is running patterns doing drills out there in the practice field in plain view. What, the Dallas beat writers can't just write what they see? Same shit different team same mentor. T-Bird said it exactly.Quote: "These guys have eyes.... they know Pennington is the starter, but they will whine that Mangini hasn't said so? Pretty weak. They could project who the starters are very easilly, and look like real reporters, but they just don't get it." Mangini is not looking for a loving media relationship. If those that came before Mangini are any indication, we will see a newer version of an old dog.
Here's how I see it and I'm not really breaking any news here Used to be that the media could talk to a coach and learn something new. Even if it was off the record, they still had the ability to interact and know things the fans didn't. Fans couldn't attempt to talk to a coach because they would be viewed as stalkers. Now, the media has become equal to the fans. There isn't even anything ON the record. The only way to glean ANYTHING is to watch practice and make your own assumptions, because any question they ask Mangini either lies or tells them to fuck off. It's gotten to the point where an astute fan like Tbird with football knowledge AND free time can learn just as much if not MORE than the media..........and it's really really pissing off the media. Now they write articles how Mangini will fail because they are mad at him, which is high school stuff. F them, I say. Over the years we've read story after story by Serby, Cannizaro, etc. Exclusive JETS news!!!!!!, and what has it gotten us?.......Losses.
Like I've said, I couldn't care less if the media does a hatchett job on Mangini because he won't talk to them. To me, that'll make the "highly respect" paper (it's respected you moron) be less respected in my eyes. Is Mangini too secretive? Probably. Is it my problem? Definitely not. Should he keep his bags packed because of it? Definitely not.
Personally, I do not care if I ever hear Mangini say aything to anyone. As long as we have a winning football team that continues to get stronger and has their eyes firmly focused on one goal.............SB Ring; I am OK with that.
I love the silence. No one but the coaching staff needs to know anything at this point, I will be patient and wait til gamedays.
If you could make it one less fan that would be great!!! Do us all a favor and find another team to hate. You where prob born a raiders fan and you just dont know it yet!!!!
Go ahead and wait then. Do you think anything will change after the game? mangini is going to still say just about nothing, certainly nothing that will appease a fan or a reporter. When you want to know why the coaches or players did this or that, he'll come back with some inane comment that doesn't begin to address the question. Save these threads, 'cause they'll be classics by November. By then, Mangini will be ripped into by nearly everyone, fan and media alike. As many say, if they win.....guess what? The Jets won't be winning much this year. I expect to see him get the same treatment as Groh did by mid-season. All of a sudden there'll be a lot of haters on the board. Jensen will look like a moderate!
Its nonsense to even be writing articles like that, and too me its wasteful nitpicking. Mangini is building a culture, and he's going to do it his way. Its a proven method, and it works. If I never again hear a Jet HC say....."what do I know about clock management, I'm the head coach" or pyschobable about sitting on buses or drinking spoiled koolaid, I'll put up with the clandestine approach. Its amazing people get paid to write crap like that!
"Already, one highly-respect newspaper has sent a columnist out to do a hatchett job - and a very good one - on Mangini and his ridiculous paranoia." That "highly-respect" newspaper is of course the NY Times, but the hatchett job sucks, written by one of Hermy's best friends, Selena Roberts. Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company The New York Times August 9, 2006 Wednesday Late Edition - Final SECTION: Section D; Column 1; Sports Desk; Sports of The Times; Pg. 1 LENGTH: 1871 words HEADLINE: No Applause For Mangini's Belichick Act BYLINE: By SELENA ROBERTS. E-mail: selenasports@nytimes.com DATELINE: HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. BODY: ERIC MANGINI is either in the middle of an identity theft or an identity crisis. Mangini, the Jets' coach, uses his library voice when publicly speaking instead of grunts that are recorded as indecipherable genius, but he is Bill Belichick in his punishing devotion to emotional detachment. That means players are treated as system parts, ordered to run laps in heat unfit for lizards after mistakes, fined for errant answers in team meetings and interrogated for expressing a benign opinion outside the locker room. Grown men are men belittled under Mangini. ''Am I supposed to say anything?'' Laveranues Coles said, joking, when asked yesterday how his body was feeling during Camp Mangini. ''Is this one of those questions where I'm supposed to say, 'Go ask coach'?'' Ask Mangini, and he'll channel Belichick in an impersonation of his Mensa mentor from New England, in an ideology borrowed from the beautiful mind under the hooded sweatshirt. One problem: Mangini has to earn his hoodie. Impervious coaches of intellectual superiority aren't born; they're carved from Super Bowl titles. Coaches lauded for their callous monarchies don't materialize; they're formed from fabled winning seasons. The oppressive micromanagement style that comes naturally to Belichick wears like paranoia on Mangini. ''No, it's my nature to be competitive,'' said Mangini, defending his guarded demeanor. ''And that's how I see myself, as competitive.'' Does Mangini really believe he is foiling Coach Jon Gruden's game plan by refusing to announce his starting quarterback for the Jets' first preseason game against the Buccaneers on Friday? ''We don't know,'' Chad Pennington said. Does Mangini truly feel he is tipping off the enemy by not confirming the appendectomy that the starting defensive back Erik Coleman reportedly had last week? ''Erik is working on his illness,'' Mangini said in his trademark vague-speak. ''He is making progress on his illness.'' Is Mangini afraid of betraying a schematic secret by unveiling the training camp whereabouts of the beloved Curtis Martin as he rehabilitates his knee? ''To be honest, I haven't seen Curtis that much,'' Pennington said. What does Mangini fear in allowing his assistant coaches to voice their expertise? At some point, the Jets promise, Mangini, a first-time head coach, will allow his first-time offensive coordinator, Brian Schottenheimer, to actually give fans an idea of what he sounds like. The one-voice approach is a Belichick staple. And the audible rationing fits snugly with an organization of socially inhibited front-office executives. Not an extrovert among them. The last personable character in the Jets building exited at the end of last season, when Herman Edwards plunged to the organizational level of dysfunction and deception upon his awkward departure for Kansas City. The Jets rashly responded the way all N.F.L. teams do. They replaced one extreme with the opposite in excessiveness. Anyone who had been tutored within a halo's glow of Bill Squared -- either Belichick or Parcells -- was good enough for the Jets. Mangini was the daily double, a progeny of both. Charisma was out, acrid was in. Sympathetic vanished, unrelenting materialized. ''It's very different,'' Coles said of camp. ''It's nothing like anything I've ever been through.'' Mangini wasn't a dramatic hire, just dramatically different from Edwards. There is nothing wrong with a change of pace as long as the tempo is true to the man leading the beat. ''I'm not Bill Belichick and I am not Bill Parcells,'' Mangini said when he signed on as the Jets' coach. ''I am Eric Mangini. I am going to approach it my way.'' So why does it seem as if Mangini is lip-syncing Belichick's championship aura? A style that is perfectly suited for Belichick isn't necessarily appropriate for Mangini. Mangini needs his players. Players need Belichick. If Mangini dips too deep for too long in his demands, he could alienate his team. There is another potential folly, as well. Not everyone is a multitasking taskmaster. Mangini is in danger of becoming bogged down in the minutiae of his own obsessive behavior. What a waste of energy to monitor every sentence uttered by his players. How exhausting to veil basic personnel issues. What a consuming burden to be the lone voice of a franchise. Game-day decisions require an uncluttered mind. Sleep deprivation isn't a badge of honor but a threat to clear thinking. Already, Mangini has shown signs of mental fatigue. When asked yesterday if he had made any mistakes, if he had any regrets, he didn't second-guess his decision to push his players through a nearly three-hour practice in suffocating heat last week. He didn't bring up any coaching miscues at all. ''I probably should have gone home and seen the kids,'' Mangini said. There is no time for perspective when channeling Belichick. It's a demanding and impossible impersonation for a rookie coach who has yet to earn his hoodie.
I am slightly worried, I gotta be honest. I really like Mangini, but I don't think we're going to win that much this year. He is being slightly ridiculous not giving out ANY information, but I like the overall message he's sent. However, we're not going to win much this year, I don't think, and if we don't play very well, and the media stuff continues, this could get ugly eventually.
That article is written it seems just to try and crack open the can that is Jets camp. It might be their job to report stuff but to attack the strategy of a coach so early on like this is almost unprofessional. Especially it seems without thinking his way through! It almost feels like a personal retort of a personal attack against her. Whiney, very whiney. Typical gir......don't want to sound chauvinistic. She doesn't even understand or try to understand the fact that he is creating habits that the guys will need during the regular season. That takes about a month to do. If they are in the habit of not talking now he doesn't have to worry about while in the middle of planning against enemies when it counts. Horrible read. Mangini won't crack. At least from what I've gathered.
I think all the NY papers just have to get used to the new way of doing biz with the HC. I read these same complaints up there in the NE where Belly exisits whenever I log on to the Boston papers
Selena Roberts has been bashing Mangini in her pretentious little column since day 1 and don't expect it to stop. I know he gets a lot of grief around here, but Rich Cimini is the only local beat writer I noticed who hasn't joined in on the Mangini bashing. I believe it was a chat he gave on JetsConfidential when he said he didn't mind how tight-lipped the new regime was and that it only presented his job with more of a challenge - nothing more.
It's not just you, Baamf. I'm pissed too. I had more respect for Hutchinson than this article exposes. There's no need for this childish, Cannizzaro-like tirade. Why? Because he has to work a little harder now to get fodder for his articles? He can't just sit down with the HC and get everything spoon-fed that he needs for tomorrow's newspaper without digging? Mangini has made his job more difficult? He has no subject matter? TS! This is the world of reporting! Go to camp, assimilate what you can, pick up tid-bits by watching practice and write your articles! Nowhere is it written that a HC has to expose starting lineups, game plans or anything else to a low-life, shitheel reporter! Get over yourself, "Hutch."
i find mangini hilarious. I really do. Honestly who cares if we have the depth chart for the pre-season game. I just love how he keeps the media on their feet all the time. Its incredibly ammusing...from Brick running across the street to this...im loving the entire Eric Mangini experience.
SonofDinger Wrote: "Roberts has been bashing Mangini in her pretentious little column since day 1 and don't expect it to stop. I know he gets a lot of grief around here, but Rich Cimini is the only local beat writer I noticed who hasn't joined in on the Mangini bashing. I believe it was a chat he gave on JetsConfidential when he said he didn't mind how tight-lipped the new regime was and that it only presented his job with more of a challenge - nothing more." I'm sure the closed practices are killing them too. They didn't do that last year, right?
Great Jet knowleable jet fans....I don't know what's worse. The lousy, sorry ass, worthless article by Hutchinson, or the equally sorry responses from some sso call Jet fans that would rather have a loose lips, lousy coach that attracks more people in the media than real fans. Mangini will be one of the best coaches we ever had and it is time to give him a chance to prove it. Give him time. Some of the comments like "high school crap, diminishing jet's fan base" and the like are insane. I say to the press, if you want cheap, useless gossip stories, got to KC. You can get one at every practice.
