Is 2012 a "Rebuilding Year"?

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  1. Cman68

    Cman68 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    I'm not so sure that the Jet Brass will EVER admit that the team needs to be overhauled given their "competition" for backpage space and limited entertainment dollars. Its the trap of "keeping up with the Joneses (Giants)" along with the egos of the Jet Brass that will keep them from a brutally honest appraisal of the talent on the roster. They will continue to insist that a player injected here or there is all that's needed to turn the team into a juggernaut. Nevermind that Ground and Pound is a outdated game plan in a pass happy league unless your defense is on par with the 2000 Ravens. All that matters is the Jets remain in the conversation for better or worse and fans keep buying the PSL's and the swag.
     
  2. deerow84

    deerow84 Well-Known Member

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    Good call. Whether or not this should be a rebuilding year is a different question entirely but, no, this year is not.
     
  3. FOURTHANDLONG

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    The Defense will play good enough to keep the team competitive enough to give false hope. The offense needs to add some talent and the team will be a legit contender again. The problem is as usual that the talent should be at the Qb position!
     
  4. ConcordeChops

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    "Rebuilding" would be playing with a young team, stockpiling draft picks and not chasing any old timer in FA.

    We've traded a fourth for Tebow, have Thomas/Scott/Pouha and Bell as starters and have constantly filled needs in FA. Tannenbaum is "win now", for better or for worse.
     
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    If our football team had a young talented prospect for every exposed buttock on a profile pic on GangGreen.com, we'd be set to contend for the next decade.
     
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  6. Cman68

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    C'mon now.. You got something against Eye Candy?
     
  7. DarkKnightXIII

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    I suppose so, the combined handsomeness currently occupying the top two spots on our QB depth chart isn't cutting it for me.
     
  8. Br4d

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    You can't rebuild without the draft.

    The Jets of 2000-2004 were built based on the 2000 draft where they had 4 #1's.

    The Jets of 2006-2010 were built based on the 2006 draft where the Jets had 2 #1's and 10 picks.

    If the 8 picks in the last draft is what they're planning on building on going forward we're probably in trouble because in the 5 years before that the Jets drafted a total of 23 players or 4.6 a year.

    We need a huge draft next year so that the Jets have a shot at getting 4 or 5 really good players moving forward.

    The 2000 Jets added Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington and Laveranues Coles alongside Anthonly Becht who started at TE for them for 5 years.

    The 2006 Jets added D'Brick, Nick Mangold, Leon Washington, Brad Smith, Eric Smith and Drew Coleman, all of whom had a role on the team for 4+ seasons after that.
     
  9. Jetaho

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    Our defense is too good for the team to be viewed as rebuilding IMO.
     
  10. Big Blocker

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    This is not a rebuilding year. this SHOULD have been the year when the Jets put together the right parts on O to give Sanchez enough support to see if he can get it done, or not. Instead the FO spent their first pick on the DL, their second at wideout on a guy who, as a rookie, will take some time to contribute, and their third pick on a project at LB. Meanwhile the worst starter in the team was left in place at RT, and no other effort took effect to upgrade the OL. The effort to get Otah now seems laughable. Why bother trying to fix your OL with a player in such bad shape he could not pass a physical????

    Not to mention the Tebow trade. Yikes.

    No. THis is not a rebuilding year. THis is shaping up as a wasted year. Next year might be a rebuilding year.
     
  11. Trip McNealy

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    The team brought in Tebow to try and cover up the fact they are rebuilding...unfortunately for Woody Jets fans arent dumb enough to show up in December and watch a 3 win team play because Tim tebow is finally starting.
     
  12. Br4d

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    This is the same mistaken idea that tripped up the Ravens after 2000 and the Buccaneers after 2002. They'd both just won Super Bowls and they both thought their defense was strong enough to carry the offense.

    The Jets never got to those heights in 2010 but they also have this idea that the defense can carry the offense and it's just not true. You have to be an all-time great defense to get over the top that way and even then the Bucs needed a pretty damn good year out of a journeyman QB and the Ravens needed a great rookie season out of Jamal Lewis.

    The Jets are not going to win consistently based on their defense. They're going to win consistently when they present real problems for the opponent on both sides of the ball.
     
  13. Br4d

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    I believe this is probably the scenario they have in mind as the worst case solution. And I think you are right on the other thing too.
     
  14. dmw

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    This is becoming apparent. For some reason, this reminds me of the Mets in 1982 when they picked up George Foster and hired George Bamberger to manage the team. They made a lot of noise in the preseason, but had a terrible year.
     
  15. JFToLong

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    SPOT ON!

    Finally someone who gets it!
     
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    If you mean LT i am disgusted.
    He quit holding his head high always the professional.
    I am more inclined to listen to him than anything coming out of our current mgmt, az it is only spin.
     
  17. Jetaho

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    I said I didn't think this was a rebuilding year because we have such a strong defense. I DID NOT say our defense would carry us. We will do fine against weak opponents, but I can't see us making a deep run with this offense.
     
  18. displacedfan

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    Well put. Of course things can change, but the Jets did somehow manage to not fix their biggest weakness last year in the offseason
     
  19. Br4d

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    You notice how the Giants never make a big deal about processes the team is going through? They just don't talk all that much in the FO and coaching staff. That's certainly part Tom Coughlin, who is definitely in the Parcells tree. But it's also just a smart way to do business.

    The Giants aren't the greatest team on turf but they never claim to be. They let their results speak for themselves and they're pretty honest about changes that need to be made. They didn't exile Tiki Barber and Jeremy Shockey in a loud way but they got rid of them when they thought the team needed to move forward.

    The only issue they've had trouble with in the last decade or so is Eli Manning and that issue was almost completely expressed on the field with the Giants themselves almost silent on it except when they backed Eli and got rid of the guys dogging him in the press and in the clubhouse.
     
  20. Cman68

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    Two very different philosophic approaches Brad. The Tannenbaum/Ryan Regime prefers making headlines with trades and all but useless proclamations about how good this team will be, how the problems will be fixed, how the coach is the best defensive mind in the game today, etc.

    How much of this is driven by Woody Johnson might be determined by how often the Owner of the NYJ's tries to put a lid on the drama. That is to say, very rarely. Woody would prefer the media and the fanbase discuss anything regarding the Jets good or bad as long as there's talk going on. That being said, it should come as no surprise that the two very different approaches have resulted in two very different outcomes over the last few years.
     
    #40 Cman68, Aug 20, 2012
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