Do not blame Sanchez. And his fumble against the Steelers was not a fumble. All the calls always are against the Jets. We just get no calls or breaks.
It was an incredibly close play, if they call it a pass on the field they wouldn't have overturned it but it was ruled a fumble. It could have gone either way. The difference btw the Jets losing last year and the Giants winning was them blowing the whistle on the Bradshaw fumble and calling the Sanchez play a fumble- BOTH plays could have gone either way. You need to be good but you need good luck sometimes too.
I don't know if they survive a losing season or another season that ends like 2012 They will survive a play-off season, depending upon how it ends, because if they Jets can Rex or Sanchez after5 3 play-offs in 4 years, they will be picked up and go on to glory somewhere else
Not sure what you mean here. The Sanchez fumble at the end of the 1st half in 2011AFCCG was a killer and a call you have seen go the other way many times.
No offense, but can you point to people who are Sanchize fans (rather than Jet fans). Are there more 18-25 year old giddy females on this forum than I think? Virtually everyone that can be considered "Pro Snachize" has said the following: 1) Sanchez needs to step it up this year to guarantee he be the long-term starter. 2) Give him one year under an OC other than Schotty. 3) Bring in a veteran QB to push Sanchez and take over for him should he not progress or get injured in 2012. 4) The Jets need to throw the ball long in 2012 to be successful. 5) Sanchez's leadership and play need to grow in 2012. Virtually nobody is making the arguement to give Sanche card blance in 2012. If the defense and running game regain their form from 2009 and Rex fixes the clubhouse and the Jets don't make the playoffs in 2012 (presumably because of the passing game) I don't think you'll find a lot of "Pro Sanchez" folks call for keeping Sanchez and getting rid of Rex. If the Jets miss the playoffs primarily because of Sanchez then he will be the one to be jettisoned (and rightly so) prior to Rex.
From what we have come to find out, the 2009 Pats were something similar, though nothing got out to the public. That year at 10-6 they had a divided locker room and a couple of down right rebels. They didn't have an mental toughness. They were front runners who lost a lot of 4th quarter leads. When they hit some immediate adversity in the Ravens playoff game, they didn't respond like THIS year's team, who overcame big early deficits (over 10 points) on at least 5 occasions.
No one is making the argument now that Sanchez gets a free pass in 2013 no matter what happens next year. I know that. But I am making a prediction. The excuse makers for him are too reflexive and and defensive despite the adverse information available right now. I think they will continue looking for excuses, or at least some sizeable portion of them, even if Sanchez is mediocre again next year. It's just a prediction. Btw it's carte blanche.
Well the question is, or at least should be, is HOW is Rex going to clean up that locker room. The thing that seemed to be lacking was any "accountability". I think adherence to that fundamental ethic has been the KEY to the Pats long term success. That whole thing about "do your job" is merely another way of saying you are accountable for your results. Haynesworth doesn't work out he's gone. Moss starts to lose it. he's gone. Ocho doesn't produce, he sits. Brady doesn't play well he comes out and owns up to it in the most public way. Brady's mea culpa epitomizes the "accountability" that permeates the entire organization. Who is taking accountability inside that Jet locker room. Looks more like everyone pointing fingers. And Rex? Sounds like the only mistake this year he's admitting to was appointing captains. And Santonio and Mark, neither has been heard from since the last whistle. No accountability there. Since both Sanchez and Holmes are going to be back, how do you fix that locker room. How does it NOT become 2 separate camps. What FA would want to come to the Jets, except those who want an organization where there is no accountability. Its easy to say that "Rex needs to fix that clubhouse", but just HOW does he do it. Suggestions?
The Sanchez supporters wont make excuses anymore, whoever we sign to compete with him. Theyll just be calling for us to start him
So you are saying Tony Sparano has a great history of being a QB turnaround guy and if Sanchez stinks next year, it's definitely him ?? The Patriots have Tom Brady and still brought in Josh McDaniels.
First off, I don't get why you would assume that the majority of posters here that are Pro-Sanchez are females. Based on what, exactly? And also, if Sanchez shows MAJOR(and I mean MAJOR) improvement but the Jets still miss the playoffs next year, does that mean Rex goes?
Originally Posted by johnny If the defense and running game regain their form from 2009 and Rex fixes the clubhouse and the Jets don't make the playoffs in 2012 (presumably because of the passing game) I don't think you'll find a lot of "Pro Sanchez" folks call for keeping Sanchez and getting rid of Rex. If the Jets miss the playoffs primarily because of Sanchez then he will be the one to be jettisoned (and rightly so) prior to Rex.[ QUOTE=patfanken;2409569]Well the question is, or at least should be, is HOW is Rex going to clean up that locker room. The thing that seemed to be lacking was any "accountability". I think adherence to that fundamental ethic has been the KEY to the Pats long term success. That whole thing about "do your job" is merely another way of saying you are accountable for your results. Haynesworth doesn't work out he's gone. Moss starts to lose it. he's gone. Ocho doesn't produce, he sits. Brady doesn't play well he comes out and owns up to it in the most public way. Brady's mea culpa epitomizes the "accountability" that permeates the entire organization. Who is taking accountability inside that Jet locker room. Looks more like everyone pointing fingers. And Rex? Sounds like the only mistake this year he's admitting to was appointing captains. And Santonio and Mark, neither has been heard from since the last whistle. No accountability there. Since both Sanchez and Holmes are going to be back, how do you fix that locker room. How does it NOT become 2 separate camps. What FA would want to come to the Jets, except those who want an organization where there is no accountability. Its easy to say that "Rex needs to fix that clubhouse", but just HOW does he do it. Suggestions?[/QUOTE] Actually, I think that Rex has admitted to losing the pulse of the team, implementing captains when he really wasn't sold on the idea, not being involved in the offense as he should, having an overly complex offense, and probably a couple more. How can Rex fix the locker room? I'm not sure, maybe threaten the players with loss of playing time if they cause "hardship" in the locker room. I have enough trouble controlling my own kids, how am I supposed to know how to control 53 "adult" males? Will it be easy for Rex to get a grip on the team? Probably not, but that's why Rex gets paid the big bucks. I think it's a given that he has to be more of a hands on guy on all units of the team.
1) I was just trying to make a point - vs. Big Blocker's original assertion. He was mentioning that there are people that are more a fan of Sanchez than of the Jets. I just don't see who on here fits that mold. The only type of people that would be in that category would be women who are in love with Sanchez because of this supposed sexiness. 2) That's really a tough scenario to imagine. If Sanchez improvement to 2:1 TD passes to INT, 60% completion percentage, and 7.5+ YPA (what I would call major improvement) then I don't see the Jets missing the playoffs unless the Jets "D" totally falls apart. Since a Rex "D" has never been as bad as it would have to be then the most probable way this could happen would be because of injuries.
We have been to the conference championship game only 4 times in over 40 years (I lost count) as a franchise. The New England playoff win last year was arguably the second best win in this franchises history. We have been to this game 2 times in 3 years under Rex. How any Jets fan can turn on Rex and Tannenbaum after one 8-8 year is beyond me. Fellas, the Jets do not set the bar high. This is why it baffles me how our fans can be so fickle, and do stupid things like boo Mark Sanchez. Because Mark Sanchez is so horrible... I'm sure you miss the glory days of Chad Pennington (one year wonder) and Vinny Testaverde (one year wonder). We haven't had a franchise QB since Joe fucking Namath. Geezzz.... If you want to be wine and cheese fans, root for the Giants, Pats, and Steelers. I for one will sink and swim with the Jets.
because it wasn't a fluke, that's why. how the teams fared this season has no relevance to last season. the Jets won 2 out of 3 against the Patriots last season, the very opposite of what a fluke is. in fact, the only thing that could even be remotely argued a fluke would be the Patriots victory against the Jets last season. a fluke would be you posting with any semblance of sense or intelligence.
Or having one of the best QB's to EVER play the game. But yeah, I'm sure it's THAT is the reason of your long term success. Also: We can't cut players like Holmes without taking very huge hits on our cap. We fucked ourselves with his contract.. I agree with you in that you can't stand for that shit, but whoever drafted these contracts really dug us into a hole. I'm assuming that blame is on Tanny but who knows.
Seems to me that most, not all of the Sanchez supporters aren't blind to the fact that he has flaws. It's more that people don't want to give up on a qb after only 3 seasons who's shown he has talent, has shown he can play in big games. For the record, I support him for the reasons I listed above.
