I'm really concerned - Top 3 things to turn around our season

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  1. Br4d

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    Yeah but they were facing Tom Brady.

    Playing the Pats is a gassing experience normally because their underneath game is strong and then Brady also throws the ball straight up the middle of the field fairly frequently which keeps the safeties deep and forces the pass rush to keep driving for four and five seconds at a time.

    The only way to avoid gassing your defense against the Pats is either to apply so much pressure that Brady can't function, which is how the Jets have beat him in their 3 wins, or to have the Jet's offense stay on the field for long enough for the defense to catch it's breath.

    The Jets did a little of the former in the first half yesterday but very little of the latter. Their defense was likely gassed coming out of the locker-room at half time because glycogen does not replenish that quickly. The only way to avoid getting gassed is to keep some glycogen in the muscles as a reserve and when it's all burned out because the offense could not stay on the field early on it's all burned out.

    I agree with the poster above who thinks Devito and Pouha were not on the field at the start of the Pats penultimate drive because they had nothing left. Got to keep them reasonably rested early on or they are a mass of cramps and tight muscles by the fourth quarter.
     
  2. Big Blocker

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    Excellent point. When the Pats got the ball for their last possession, TOP for both teams was roughly equal by that point. It was BECAUSE the D could not get off the field from then on that the TOP went more in favor of the Pats. It was not the fault of the O more than the D. It was more the fault of the D.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    With all due respect I don't think you answered the questions. The Pats scored their first TD with barely seven minutes gone in the first, and were up by ten, more than the winning margin, with less than a minute into the second quarter. Tack on another seven points from NE's first possession in the second half, that would be after halftime, in four plays. If the players were gassed then, they are woefully out of shape.

    And of coures the Jets O came back in their first possession of hte second half and scored a TD, too, so at that point it was 17-14. The Pats had two possessions immediately after, one first down in one, three and out in the other, and the Jets matched that with two three and outs. So, with less than ten minutes into the second half, with both teams having roughly equal TOP, the Jet D gives up a driev that finished with the winning score. The Pats held possession for a bit more than 4 minutes. The D was gassed then???

    The Jets' final score was one where they held the ball for nearly six minutes on the clock. The D could not get rested in that period of time?

    Maybe they are out of shape.
     
  4. Big Blocker

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    Sanchez in the first three quarters was 9 for 17 for 70 yards. You know what the YPA is on those numbers??? 4.1.

    Yeah, with NE leading 27-14, and in the fourth quarter, the Pats go prevent and Sanchez goes 5 for 6 in the first drive, for 65 yards. And in the last drive with no chance he tacks on another 31 yards on 2 for 3. So, he goes 7for 9 for 96 yards in the last quarter, down by more than two scores, after going 9 for 17 for 70 yards in the first three quarters, and you think he had a very good game???

    What game were you watching?
     
  5. Br4d

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    In the first half the Jets ran 25 plays to the Pats 39. They had one long drive for 7:54 of the half and the other four possessions netted 5:37.

    The time of possession looks fairly close but the Jet's defense just kept trotting back out there after their first 4 drives ended in 3 and outs. Brady threw 25 passes in the first half while this was happening. That's a lot of grinding by the defensive line as they pass rush over and over again.

    By the end of the half the Jet's defensive line and linebackers were much more worn out than the Patriots offensive line because pass rushing is much more depleting than pass protection.

    In the second half the Patriots just dominated the tired Jet's front seven. Their legs were still fairly fresh and they dominated the line of scrimmage.

    Note that the Jets actually got to Brady several times in the first half. He was sacked three times and a fourth sack was negated by the penalty on Revis.

    The first play of the second half Welker broke one for 73 yards to open things up and Brady got them into the end zone. Fifteen of the first twenty two plays in the half were passes and the Jet's defense was done for the day.

    They'd played 43:40 at that point and faced 40 passes. That'll do anybody. They were actually pretty effective other than the two broken plays where Welker beat them for 32 and 73 over the middle but Brady just wore them down.

    For the Jet's defense to have a chance on the day the offense needed to keep Brady off the field more than they did. At the point that Pats scored the TD to go up 24-14 they had the TOP by 24:26 to 19:14. They'd passed the ball 40 times, largely ineffectively except the two big plays, and run it another 23 times. There is no way the Jet's defense is not heaving on the sidelines at that point.
     
  6. Big Blocker

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    You're really reaching. The Jet D was doing aerobics at halftime? They were resting, came out and gave up another seven. On top of the ten they gave up in the first 16 minutes of the game. TOP was not a factor in any of those points. They also were playing a lot of db's against Brady. Those guys are fit enough, or should be, to run down the field.

    And of course as I said the winning score was not the final drive by the Pats. It started less than a third of the way into the second half, with TOP roughly equal in the second half by that point.

    I really think you are reaching.
     
  7. Jetfanmack

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    Sanchez was OK. I feel kind of sick calling 70 pass yards through 3 quarters and 166 for the game against that defense "OK," but he had very little help from coaching or from his receivers.
     
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    Actually, on those 3-and-outs, not only the 3rd down calls were fucking horrible, the 1st down calls were even worse. It was a Jet Offense Horror Show all right... Ok... Belichick could have been guessing right somewhat, but how do you end up with 2nd and 10 for the majority of your possessions? No fucking wonder 3rd down conversion stayed at 3/11. Either Belichick had Jets 1st down calls radioed into his headset all day, or the play call was so fucking awful that nobody could bite the fake shit Schottenheimer was dialing up.
     
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    I disagree. Firing Schotty helps most if not all of our issues. Brian can't adapt or gameplan to opposing teams defenses. This in turn causes numerous 3 and outs as witnessed yesterday against the worst defense in the NFL. When you have numerous 3 and outs you do not give your defense a chance to rest. When the defense is tired , the Patriots exploited this with the no huddle, we lose the advantage.

    Rex has fixed the issues with time management and overuse of the blitz.

    Mike has fixed the return game and improved our FG percentage.

    Brian is throwing in trick plays on 3 and 2, calling 5 yd pass plays when we need 7yds, and runs up the middle for 1 yd gains never trying the outside.

    I have been wanting Brian gone for 4 years now not because he is a bad person , but because he is in over his head. He is not developing anyone. Our defense and ST score as much or more than our O. It is a never ending cycle of mediocrity. ENOUGH.
     
  10. Big Blocker

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    He still throws behind on too many crossing patterns.

    And related to another thread, it's not simple perversity on the part of the CS that leads them to not want to throw downfield that often. I think it's at least in part a lack of confidence in Sanchez.
     
  11. Will-I-Am-Not

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    I agree, the coaches don't seem to be confident in letting Sanchez throw deep, or whether the line can protect him long enough for a deep pass to evolve. The other problem might be a lack of confidence in our receivers getting deep, which is where the loss of Edwards is felt the most. Edwards was our best deep threat last year hands down.

     
  12. Big Blocker

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    Tanny's inability to keep Edwards on the team has to go down as a failure on his part.
     
  13. Br4d

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    Mistakes Mike Tannenbaum made in this last off-season:

    1. Cutting Damien Woody heading into the lockout with a fairly good chance that Vlad Ducasse would get minimal opportunities to work with the coaches in the off-season.

    2. Letting Braylon Edwards sign a one-year deal in SFO for less than we paid Plaxico Burress. Yes, it would have cost us more to retain Edwards but we obviously needed to do that. Whether he would have gotten hurt here or not is beside the point. We let somebody who had big play chemistry with Mark Sanchez go for somebody who was an unknown.

    3. Failing to sign any offensive line depth in free agency. Tannenbaum may be a smart business guy but he clearly knows next to nothing about the fundamentals of building an NFL football team.

    4. Sitting on Nnamdi Asomugha at the start of the whirlwind free agency period even though the Steelers ran all over us in the AFC Championship game as they put the game away in the first half. Setting our sights on Asomugha to the detriment of everything else we did during free agency was aggravated malpractice given the strengths and weaknesses present on the team. See the note above about Tannenbaum knowing nothing about the fundamentals.

    5. Doing nothing to address the offensive line depth issues after Rob Turner went down. Hello? You're a Mangold or Ferguson injury away from 8-8 or worse and you stand pat? Shades of Parcells whistling by the graveyard in 1999 with no good options behind Vinny and just hoping he didn't get hurt. Tannenbaum was here for that one also so he has seen a team with great hopes collapse due to poor depth.
     

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