H'mm actually I thought the league caught on to M/golds tactics & he sought of took a step or 2 backwards last year. Lets hope our OL is a pillar of strenght this year & KC is able to prove his worth in the 2nd round of the draft. Please remember we passed on Culter to wait for KC after Man & Tan went on that we will tour America QB search evulating all the top draftable QBs that year
I think Mangold took a step back because of the loss of Kendall and the utter uselessness of the rest of the line except Brick. I hope the O-Line is our strong point this year. I was not happy at all when we passed on Cutler. The sad thing is this years Qb Draft is supposed to be horrible. If Clemens does not pan out we could be looking at 2011-2012 for a SB ready team.
Bingo - If we beat Pitt, we play at NE in a near blizzard. I would like to have seen that game happen.
What has Cutler done that's so great? Denver cost themselves a playoff spot by yanking Plummer for Cutler at 7-4 in 2006 and they haven't reaped anything from that move yet.
No one would ever accuse a team that took John Elway or Jim Kelly of being stupid, so they don't count. Blackledge (KC) and Eason (NE) both underperformed at the NFL level, of course, but Blackledge excelled at the very highest level of college football, and Eason did lead his team to the Super Bowl, so you have to think there was (or at least could have been) real elite talent there. If we're going to play the Sesame Street "Which of these things does not belong?" game, sadly it is O'Brien (and by extension the Jets fron office) who is the "winner."
True. Elway was the clear #1 pick and Kelly made the Hall of Fame, although only Elway ever was ever on a Super Bowl winner and that took 15 years. I would say the Jets got better value from O'Brien than New England did from Eason, O'Brien later beat Eason out for the Jets starting job in 1990. Steve Grogan was probably as instrumental in that New England team advancing as Eason was. Blackledge, while great at Penn State, did nothing in the pros. Both of those guys were drafted ahead of O'Brien and Marino, O'Brien was not the worst of the six.
I absolutely agree, as champ just said that was clearly Blackledge. Hindsight is always 20/20, so I try to look at draft (or, for that matter, trade) decisions from the point of view of what was known at the time, and what would have been reasonable predictions for the future at that time. Given that attitude, Elway, Kelly, Marino, and Blackledge were far more sensible choices than O'Brien ever could have been (I guess the distinction is that with the benfit of hindsight I would have moaned about drafting Blackledge over Marino, but I couldn't have really complained about it). Eason would have been a stretch too (and I agree also ultimately underperformed O'Brien), but at least he played D-I. If you're going to draft a D-II QB in the first round, passing up a guy who set then-NCAA D-I season and career records in passing yardage and TDs, you better be damn sure that he is a superstud, and the Jets didn't.
On that premise, the Jets at the time figured they would have Todd for a while. He was in his prime and coming off his best two seasons, went to the AFC Championship game. The Dolphins, while they made the Super Bowl, were getting by with Woodley and Strock and needed a QB more immediately. I can certainly see why the Jets didn't draft Marino, but I don't get why they used a #1 on a future QB when they didn't need one and were probably that #1 pick away from being back in contention for the Super Bowl. The whole organization at that time made some baffling moves. They took all those years to build up to a serious contender, then in about a year they fired the coach, moved out of their home, drafted an unknown QB #1 and traded their proven starter.
I was under the impression that Marino's draft stock dropped due to a known (at least within league circles) cocaine problem. Ironic that he ends up cleaning up his act in Miami of all places. Kind of like the U's coach being named Coker:rofl:
Even if the Jets scored a TD there, they're only up 10-6. Dawson took them down the field in two plays (I think) for another TD which means we lose 13-10, probably. Hard not to argue that it was the Chiefs year, being that KC owner Lamar Hunt started the AFL and karmically was destined to capture the final AFL crown and the last Super Bowl contested between the 2 leagues. It's a shame though, because if the Jets could've beaten KC, it's logical to assume they would've gotten past Oakland again and had a good shot of beating the Vikes. Winning Supes III and IV would've put the Jets on par with the Packers as two time winners and sent at least a few more Jets to the Hall of Fame (Philbin, Grantham, Hill, maybe Sauer and Turner).
MOST OVER RATED PLAY EVER... You really think at that point Dan Marino wasn't going to score and win that game.... The damage was done well before that play.
Thank you. And even if we won that game we still would have only finished 6-10 instead of 5-11. Big deal.
I do not blame Mo Lewis knocking out Bledsoe to give Tom Brady a chance the reason why NE dominated the next few years. I give Matt Walsh and the rest of the competent film crew equal credit. Mo was only piece of the puzzle. (Am I a hater or what?!) PS: I just finished reading The Education of a Coach by David Halberstam which focuses on Bill Belichick’s career as a coach up to 2005. I would love to read this ultimate fan boy’s addendum to his own book in light of recent discoveries. Unfortunately he passed last spring (April 23, 2007, RIP). Good book, just incomplete.
I disagree completely. Marino wouldn't be in the Hall if we drafted him, and O'Brien on that Miami team would hold some records. Marino had a great OL for most of his career.
