Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man. Did you write that because the Dolphins won Super Bowls in 1972 and 1973 and the 1982 AFC Championship Game? Six division titles in seven years and three Super Bowl championships (and maybe a 4th within a fortnight) in the same time points towards the Patriots as being the Jets biggest rivals.
New London is North of the NYC and a stadium 15 miles North of the city in, say, Westchester would be enormously more convenient for you to attend games then to have to cross the Hudson. No knock on you, but everybody wants a Jets stadium nearer to their own back yard.
You have a better chance of seeing the Cloverfield monster making out with Godzilla than seeing champ answer any question you've posed to him.
i like woody, he has tried, and we do have a new stadium coming that we can finaly call home, the fact that we wont be playing our home games anymore at 'giants stadium' is gonna be great, lets not forget woody's part in getting the new, beautiful, first class training facility in florham park, i think all this will be good for our team
The Patriots winning all of that does not make them our biggest rival, it makes them the best team in our division. Did you consider the Bills to be our biggest rival when they were losing all of those Super Bowls?
Absolutely, I did. Rival is a synonym of competitor. The Bills had a stretch there when they won the division six times in eight years. They were the Jets best competition.
the dolphfags has always been our biggest rival, but w/the whole spygate thing, the mangini thing, bellichick resigning as our coach after one day thing, the pats could now be our biggest rival
I haven't been to a game since 1991. Believe me I have no desire to go spend $250 to see a Jets game with a couple of friends when I have a nice toasty living room with a HD TV and DirectTV. I'm just tired of being the punked team in the region because we're always camping in another team's stadium. I'm tired of pretending that the Jets will ever be #1 in the tri-state area because they won't, even if they win a Super Bowl or two that's going to be the Giants. I'm tired of being the punked team in the AFC East, because we're always south of some good to great team in the big picture. Dolphins, Bills, Patriots... It's enough already. I want OUR stadium in a location that is nowhere near the Giants and that is crowding our main divisional rival, the Patriots, as much as is reasonable. Hiding in central Jersey is for losers.
Florham Park is not central Jersey. It's north Jersey. Los Angeles is an open market. I know I am going to get flamed for this, but I don't give a shit. I'd rather the Jets jet out to LA than share another stadium with the Giants. I'm fed up with rooting for a second fiddle team. The Jets are always going to be the Giants' baby brothers unless they go on a ridiculous streak of winning Super Bowls much like the Steelers of the 1970s, 49ers of the 1980s and Patriots of the 2000s.
Consider yourself flamed. If the Jets move to LA, they will lose their entire fan base. Sharing a stadium where the Jets are 50% owners has no adverse impact on the Jets. The Mets, Nets, Islanders and Devils all have their own stadiums/arenas, but it does not change that the primary teams in NY are the Yankees, Knicks, and Rangers. Should those 4 teams move also?????????? The Giants are not the more popular team in the NYC football world because they have their own stadium or because the Jets don't. They are more popular because they have been around much longer and because they have been more successful on the field. If the Jets won 3 Super Bowls in 5 years, they could play in a high school stadium and they would be more popular and more inches in the paper than the Giants. This stadium stuff is overblown. The Jets will be part owners of the best stadium in the NFL and get the revenue that comes from 10 home dates. Plus they will no longer "travel" to home games. That is enough.
Re: 1st paragraph. I don't know what your point is because the Knicks and Nets don't share an arena, the Islanders, Devils, and Rangers don't share, and the Mets and Yankees don't share a ballpark. Re: 2nd paragraph That's pretty much my point. The Jets are going to have to win multiple Super Bowls or they will remain second class citizens. I don't have faith they will do it. Hence, I'd prefer they go somewhere where they'd be the only NFL team in town. I've had it with getting beat down in the press and by the other team's fans. Re: 3rd paragraph Did you see the stadium designs? It will not be the best stadium unless Qwest Field, Reliant Stadium, Raymond James Stadium, Lincoln Financial Field, Lambeau Field, the new Colts one, University of Phoenix Stadium, and the new Cowboys one are razed.
Yeah, the Jets can be Giants Jr for their entire existence because they are forgoing one of the most significant ways to differentiate themselves by living in the same arena. But hey, if that's what they think will work and they're willing to be the little borther forever, that's their preference. Personally I think it is the wimp's way out and that Jet management has been a wimp forever. The teams mostly also, because a team can't achieve at a level higher than it's management does. The Giants are more popular than the Jets because they won a few titles in the very early 60's and the Jets have not won a few titles in their entire existence. Since Sonny Werblin sold the Jets they have been owned by wimps, and Woody is a wimp so far. That is enough for a team full of wimps with wimpy management. Bob Kraft wouldn't have moved his team into the Meadowlands if his main competitor for regional supremacy played there. I can't think of another team in ANY sport that has been willing to play in the same arena as a crosstown rival. When the Giants moved out of New York City it presented the Jets with a golden opportunity to change the status quo, and instead they wimped out and moved in with big brother as renters. It was like moving into your parents basement because you couldn't figure out how to make your own household run right. The Jets will never be anything other than Jersey B if they keep acting like they deserve the appelation, and winning is only part of the equation, the other part is having the balls to stand on their own and carve out their own space in the world. Woody had a pipedream about the WSS and as soon as it died he caved in like a wimp.
"Biggest rival," for most sports fans, is a static term. It's not something that switches from team to team depending on which team is winning the division at the moment. Some of the "Border War" stuff has heated the rivalry between the two teams, for sure, but it still doesn't approach the history between the Dawlpfinz and Jets. Not to the point where the Patriots would supplant Miami as our "biggest rival."
If a static term, then the Titans would be in the mix. The Jets were division rivals of the Oilers in the 1960s and they caused them the most trouble. Outside of the division it was the Raiders that decade. The Dolphins first season was 1966 and they weren't good till 1970. Stuff changes. I truly believe the Patriots are the Jets biggest rivals. Their head coach was supposed to be the Jets head coach...the Curtis Martin deal...spygate...on and on. Jets-Dolphins at its zenith was not as heated.
Two of the biggest soccer teams in the world are AC Milan and Inter Milan, and they share the same stadium. They are equal tennants, and that's what the Jets and Giants will be in the new place. In fact, to put it in perspective, the current Giants Stadium is nicer and newer than anything they have in Italy and we're ripping it down because it's too old. For all the bitching about stadiums, think about that.
Right, and you can certainly hate them all, but, again, the term we're discussing is "biggest rival," and I'm suggesting that most fans aren't whimsical with that definition. Sure it was. The difference is that we didn't have the internet through most of our Miami hatred. Controversy plays louder these days.
the thing a lot of people are forgetting is that the giants will own just as much of the stadium as us, plus it wont be called 'giants stadium' this stadium is a state of the art stadium, for all u tailgaters out there u will love this stadium, non tailgaters to, so much room and so much to do, the monarail system is gonna be sweet, the jets hall of fame, its not the west side stadium, but woody did try to get that for us, but the new meadowlands willl be pretty damn good, b.t.w people forget, thers 2 other sports teams that share a stadium/arena, lakers, clippers
The Giants are one of the teams that made the NFL. When they went into the tank they went to the league and hired George Young who assembled one of the great coaching staffs in NFL history who's coaching tree still today dominates the league. They won 2 SB. After another bad spell they brought in Accorsi who built the SB team in 2000 and this one. They went after Coughlin because they believed they needed some discipline and they knew him well and believed in him. They have surrounded him with solid coaches and one of the best OC in the league and while guys like you have talked up Pennington and how the Giants over paid for K-Mack, Burress and Pierce we let young guys go and didn't overpay for anyone. That's how they are in the SB and we are a bottom feeder team. By the way the last two Jets HC had zero experience and their GM is bean counter and last I looked Jay Cross is still in the building.
