I dont think Matt Ryan is a lock to go in the top 10 let alone the top 5 but actually i like brohm the most out of all the qbs, if you watched his game he had NOTHING around him to work with but seemed still to be able to throw all day. It was his defense that let him down. But in any case we have much more pressing needs then to draft a qb just because the one we have has not shown, any "promise", it would be hard for you to show promise if you were always on you ass too. Jake Long or Vernon Gholston anyone??
I cant stand, Matt Ryan. That would be such a horrible draft. It wouldn't even matter who we got in the later rounds, that would just be awful.
I'd say the body of work over two years from Leinart, Cutler and Young do not convince me we made a bad choice by skipping them for Clemens. Young regressed big time this year after defenses figured out how to keep him in the pocket, Cutler was mediocre, Leinart looked pretty bad. They were all very Clemens like if you ask me...
did the sb teach us nothing? we could draft tom fn brady in his prime and the most he could put up is 14 pts in a must win game. and that's behind the pats ol. imagin tom fn brady playing the giants behind OUR ol? fix the fn trenches. then worry about whos tossing the pig skin.
I was always more impressed with Andre Woodson than Matt Ryan. If we're going to take a QB, I'd prefer Woodson. I'd prefer Brohm. I don't think Matt Ryan is a great NFL quarterback. What NFLDC shows as his weaknesses are pretty much how I feel about his shortcomings, too. Not a great arm, turns the ball over, can run into accuracy problems, can't throw deep, somewhat reckless, and not very mobile. I know he was very good in college, and he's an impressive player. But he's not a high pick to me. And I don't know if we should be drafting a QB at all in the first round. Middle rounds, yes, first round, no.
I think ol' Tom Brady has proven in this past SB, without blocking, you are on your ass. So, yes, this is the question. WE NEED O-Line.
If we draft Matt Ryan with the #6 I will puke. I've seen him play in person, and while he somewhat impressed me by no means is he worth wasting a first rounder on. Our #1 priority needs to be pass rush followed by o-line. Like many have said before me who is going to block for him? He would just be another clay pidgeon behind that line.
Under no circumstances do we take Ryan. It would be a wasted pick, IMO. Our lines have to be the #1 priority; also establishing a rush against the opposing QB. Clemens is very capable, but he needs better people around him. Even if we did draft a QB, it is not like the guy is going to play next year. Chad was taken in the first round and he was put in the classroom first before taking the helm. If we take Ryan, it would be one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen our FO make.
I'm glad you got that right eventually. I'm also glad you've seen fit to provide us with your expert analysis, rather than you know, resorting to dismissive straw men. Since we're on the subject, what exactly is there to love about a guy like Ryan, other than the fact that he looks the part? -X-
seriously though, if we can sign suggs (not gonna happen but if we do), do you take him? If we have a pass rusher there really is no other need that should be taken that high. Try to trade down but if DMC is gone thats gonna be pretty hard to do.
Of course we need OL but we need a QB and a good one is going to take 3 plus years to develop and probably sits on the bench next year anyway so the OL next year isn't at issue. If Ryan is a guy they believe in and they are not sold on Clemens they have to take him. Chances are we are not going to be in a high draft position to take a quality QB who the organization believes in many more times. We didn't do it 2 years ago, we didn't go after Quinn last year when he fell, now that they have shown doubt in Chad and Clemens it might be time to make a move. It really depends how they rate him.
Mack, I agree with you, but with one exception. He really wasn't all that good in college. I think BC was pretty highly televised this year and we all had a chance to see this guy operate in a very down ACC. The guy made some very poor turnovers. If I'm investing a top ten pick in a guy, he better have Brady Quinn type numbers in a system that translates to the next level. I guess that's why I don't think any of these guys are worthy of even a top 20 pick. Woodson has a nice arm and good intangibles, but he has one of the worst releases I've ever seen. Brohm might be a system guy, but I think he's the best of the bunch. That said, while the importance of the position of quarterback puts a premium on these guys that causes them to rise above their value, it should also be a warning to proceed with caution. You're going to be investing a ton of money in a guy who better damn well have the skill to get it done at the next level. -X-
I wish it were all that simple. For one thing, I'm not so sure the book on Clemens is closed. That was the main point of the thread that I started titled, "One Hell of a QB Mess." This is the problem. With Chad, 95% of us will agree that he is done. With Clemens, there's still a possibility. I truly wish we had pulled Chad earlier and just sucked it up and played Clemens for 10 games or so. MAYBE we might know more about him than we know now, but our O-line was so attrocious (and got so progressively worse) that it's damned hard to tell whether it was Clemens that was so terrible or the fact that he was running for his life on every play. We're in a hell of a situation with this and I predicted it would carry over and affect our draft this spring and sure enough, here we are debating taking a QB instead of filling all our other dire needs. My solution is this: I think we have to cross our fingers on Clemens, hope that he will perform better if surrounded by better protection, and just go ahead and build the team we need for now. I know about the 2-3 year time frame to bring a QB along, but at this point in time, investing a top draft pick and the bucks that go along with that choice is not the best solution IMO.
I just like Woodson's arm, and he's one of my favorite college players when I watch him. Brohm is probably the best pick out of the three of them, but even he has plenty of questions. Ryan was hyped endlessly in college, and while I knew he was good, he wasn't great, and he was nowhere near 6th pick in the draft good. I'm glad you agree with me here, x. Kind of funny how a guy that a lot of people have in the top 5, neither of us would have in the top 15-20.
