Idzik rocks...just rocks

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  1. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Tannenbaum blows a 2nd rounder on Ducasse yet misses the boat on Victor Cruz. So much for his "UMass pipeline."
     
  2. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Revis didn't get overpaid. People are just haten on Revis because where he signed.
     
  3. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    Everybody blew it on Cruz. He went undrafted.
     
  4. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    I like that he isn't wasting money. Outside of the CB position (Revis, Talib) and the late arrival of D-Jax at WR, this FA crop was weak.

    I would have liked to pick up DRC. But you also need to remember this is a guy who, the week leading up to the Super Bowl, was talking about retirement. I'd question how committed he is to playing in 2014 and beyond.

    It all comes down to the draft now. Idzik has to nail it.
     
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  5. al_toon_88

    al_toon_88 Well-Known Member

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    Not everybody. The Giants signed him the day after the draft. Which is even better.

    Anyhow, my point was about Tannenbaum's supposed "UMass pipeline," considering how he went to college there and supposedly had insider knowledge of the program.
     
  6. Falco21

    Falco21 Well-Known Member

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    Revis was overpaid. There is absolutely no way around that.

    No one is saying it because of where he signed. In fact, when he signed with Tampa everyone said the same thing. Do we all have something against Tampa also? You do not pay a corner $12 million a year. I'm sorry. You realize that between him and Brady, they account for almost 25% of the cap? A corner and a quarterback. Two completely different positions, one of which has minimal impact on the game week in and week out. A corner can only cover one guy at a time. Paying a guy excess of $10 million to do so is absurd.

    The reason he gets that much money is because the market for corners has skyrocketed with the increase in passing offense's. This doesn't make it not overpaying when teams are spending excess of $10 million on them. That's not a choice. That's what the market shows. The market has created a severe overspending on corners. Revis is the head of that pack.

    If we signed Revis for $12 million I would be happy as hell to have him, but I will also be sitting here telling you we overpaid for him.
     
  7. pclfan

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    Jerry Reese signed and paid DRC and he's been a very successful GM so you can question the Jets for not getting DRC. But again the guy has been inconsistent and was a part of the underachieving Eagles in 2012. But then again so was Vick. Another thing I've liked so far in this off season from Idzik is re-signing players who made contributions in 2013. Guys like Pace and McIntyre, etc. It's a good sign that he wants to bring back guys esp from the past regime. I don't think the guy is petty and only wants his own guys. That could include the coaching staff. He might really want to give Rex a chance instead of bringing in his own guy. But basically it seems like Rex is there because of Woody.
     
  8. Big Blocker

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    I have no idea what you are talking about.
     
  9. Geno007

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    Yes he was overpaid in Tampa. Them two maybe 25% of the cap, but there also one of the favorite to get to SB. If we had Revis we would be in the talks to beat out the Pats for the AFC East.
     
  10. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    We can sit here and nap pick on every team that past on a player.
     
  11. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    we had revis, never won the division,
     
  12. Geno007

    Geno007 Well-Known Member

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    That was all Revis fault?
     
  13. Big Blocker

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    People who can't distinguish between correlations and causation... disturb me.
     
  14. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    Don't interfere with his fantasies. Young fans generally hero worship to a ridiculous degree. When I was 12 I thought Ed Kranepool was one of the best hitters in the NL. Listening to the Mets announcers talk about what a good hitter he was in the clutch led me to that conclusion. That and that he was a lefty hitting 1st basemen just like me. Then Kranepool hit over .300 two years running in a platoon role. You'd never have gotten me to agree that Stead Ed was just a .260 hitter having the best two years of his life, nor that the Mets record wouldn't have changed at all if they replaced him with an average 1st basemen.

    Darrelle Revis is a great CB. That means about as much as being a great punter in the overall Super Bowl conversation. Well, it might mean just a little bit more but not much. We'd have to look at where the superstar CB's and P's finished in the Super Bowl sweepstakes the last 20 years or so. I'm guessing they were both out of the money.

    Edit: I realize that I say this over and over again and it probably confuses some people.

    Here's the best way to look at it. Let's say you are an Indy 500 Racing Owner and you have a budget of $1.3M to make everything work. You spend money on the car, the driver, the pit crew, offtrack expenses (like travel and lodging), testing and evaluation. So you spend $1M putting the car together. You spend 100k on offtrack expenses. You spend 50k on testing and evaluation. That's 1.15M of your 1.3M budget right there.

    You have 150k left for the driver and the pit crew. Now the average Indy 500 team spent 100K on the driver last year and then 50k on everybody else. If a team had spent 100k on the lead mechanic they'd have had only 50k to spend on the driver and everybody else.

    A CB is like the lead mechanic. He's the guy who makes a difference when everything else has gone wrong already. The driver is like the QB. He's the guy who has his hands on the football all the time and when he screws up it is always a big impact event.

    So you have this 150k to spend. Even if you have a great mechanic does it make any sense to short the driver and maybe have the rest of the pit crew be slow unskilled slobs just so you can pay the mechanic? Even though he's only going to come in play when you are already likely screwed anyway? 9 out of 10 accidents on the track end the race for the team involved. Can you afford to pay a great mechanic that much of your budget for the 10th time when he might save you? Even when the driver is going to save you twenty times by avoiding the accident for every opportunity the mechanic has to save the day?

    In an uncapped environment in which you were willing to spend as much as you had too then by all means pay that mechanic whatever he deserves. It couldn't possibly hurt to do that and you'll even win a race now and then because you paid his freight. If however he's going to cost you the best driver money can buy? Then you go with the mechanic that will just get the job done without causing an engine fire every time the car comes into the pit.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    no, i didn't say it was revis' fault.
    you stated if we had revis we would be contending for a division.
    i pointed out that we had revis and was never able to win a division.
     
  16. Don

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    But we contended for a conference championship..I'll take that. Of course we had Cromartie too..now we have neither.
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You're being trolled.
     
  18. JetBlue

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    he also signed Josh Freeman. Belichik traded for Chad Johnson and Albert Haynesworth. the list of smart GM's making bad personnel decisions is endless. Reese signing DRC does not reflect anything negative about the Jets not signing him simply because of Reese's overall success.
     
  19. BacktoQueens

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    Revis was overpaid in Tampa. He's paid appropriately in NE.
    12M a year w/o a lot of guarantees is a good deal for the team. If anything, where NE fell short was length of contract, as he'll almost certainly move on after the year. So the contract makes it very short term value.

    If the Jets gave him 3yr, 36M, with around 15M guaranteed, I'd have been ecstatic.
    But they didn't bother picking up the phone due to personal reasons. That's not how you do business, and is one of the black marks on this offseason for me. Otherwise i think they've done a lot of positive things..
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Not to mention, if DRC decides to pull his retirement stuff in a year, the Giants get slammed with an accelerated cap hit on that 15mil guaranteed for their trouble.
     

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