Idzik rocks...just rocks

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  1. Will-I-Am-Not

    Will-I-Am-Not Well-Known Member

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    I agree, I hate that Revis ended up with the Pats. It bothers me even more knowing that Tampa releasing him cost us
    a 3rd round draft pick that's now a 4th instead, the final twist of the knife.
     
  2. JdotGriff

    JdotGriff Well-Known Member

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    Then what do we do next year when the cap goes up slightly and we have no space to resign the guys who earned their due?
     
  3. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    We are starting out next year 60M under even if we haven't a penny from this year carried over.

    http://www.overthecap.com/teamcap.php?Team=Jets&Year=2015
     
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  4. JdotGriff

    JdotGriff Well-Known Member

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    That is pre resigns draft picks and any other moves we make this season.

    That is also with out spending the whole 40 mill like this guy suggests.
    Something you probably neglected when you made that post.
     
  5. Don

    Don 2008 TGG Rich Kotite "Least Knowledgeable" Award W

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    Of course it is, and the cap will also be more than 135. The point is based on where we are now we have all the money in the world, it is not even worth discussing.
     
  6. JdotGriff

    JdotGriff Well-Known Member

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    We have 25 mill free basically before any resigns and draft picks money. Its not as much as you think with the contracts ending that are and the injury issues we have had to live with the last two seasons.
     
  7. PennyRoyal10

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    So good. Made me laugh, a lot...
     
  8. pclfan

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    Woody didn't want Revis back. DR would sign a front loaded contract and then after he got his money and was on the lower paying years of the contract would complain and claim he was being screwed. And hold out. Idzik didn't even try because he knew the answer in advance from the owner: No way!!!
     
  9. Big Blocker

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    I am an on the fence skeptic about Idzik so far. That's mostly because I can't make sense of what the Jets have done this off season at Cornerback. They seem to not have a plan there. Seem in fact is a poor choice of words. I can't make sense of the off season in regards to the Cb position. But... despite how bad that is, it is only one starting position. Overall the rest of FA so far, and the various moves last off season, adds up to an incomplete grade so far.

    But one thing I don't blame him on is Revis. That was all Woody.
     
  10. MoWilkNYJ

    MoWilkNYJ Well-Known Member

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    People were criticizing him 45 minutes after free agency started.
     
  11. 1968jetsfan

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    Yes he was one of several people in those front offices...just like he's one of several people in the current front office. Before he was one of the number of people giving input, now he's the one taking the input from the other people.
    You argue against him having any credit for his input with the other teams just as hard as some who argue to give him too much credit on the other teams, which makes your argument equally as flawed.

    The point is a good front office IS a team, with a wide range of input. The previous administration of Tanny often went against the larger input of the scouting department..Idziks' success, or failure, won't be on his personal scouting ability but how well he listens to and balances the input from various departments, including the coaching staff and the scouting department primarily. He's had several exceptional places to learn how to do this.
     
  12. Big Blocker

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    That is all true. But the question about Idzik's prior experience is whether it should indicate he is a man who brings some talent and ability to running the Jets' draft, other than running it last year, of course. Yes, as GM he will be receiving the scouts' reports, and they will go a long way to providing the basis for how they run the draft. But he still has to make decisions, even if he chooses to make a group decision, by consensus.

    I thought last year's draft was okay, but nothing great. C+/B- territory. Is there anything in his previous history to indicate he might do better this time?

    He may do better, but I don't know of anything from his prior history to suggest it likely he will be. I think that is a fair statement.

    Now he may have been asked or felt it better for political reasons to make decisions by consensus last year. I expect both Woody and Rex would have been pushing the Milliner pick, for example. It makes sense. So maybe this year will be different, although of course one would expect Marty will have, should have, a lot of input on players on Offense.
     
  13. sec314

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    In years past, in the off season, we where always first online come FA. We paid top dollar for every FA, never waited them out, Tanny was intent on getting a particular player, we over paid for them or looked past there deficiencies and wasted time and money on them. And we lost so many draft picks to move up to get that guy It worked sometimes but in the end, we could not fix the team with 3 picks in a whole draft. Look bottom line, you build good teams for the long term with the draft. FAgency does not work as that vehicle. It comes down to making the correct picks but at least he's taking the correct approach and last year he did a good job putting the team together. So his way of doing things is how the top NFL organizations do it so now it comes down to scouting and draft day decision making. Hopefully Rex is not allowed in the room
     
  14. nycarl

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    wonder what took them so long...
     
  15. nycarl

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    Who exactly were these 5 free agents that we were gonna pencil in as starters? DRC? I think the Giants were fools to overpay for him, esp for 5 years. Good Hands Nicks? not likely. Talib @ $57 million? It was a mediocre FA class to start with and nearly all the quality FAs re-signed with their original teams. Sure, we could've signed 5 FAs, but how much better would the team be and for how long, not even considering the future cap hit?

    We've got 12 draft picks. It must be like Christmas morning for someone like Idzik whose strength is supposedly talent evaluation (yes, I said that!). How could we sign 5 free agents and STILL have room for 12 picks? There's a limit to how many players can be in training camp; why waste the spots on other teams' castoffs when we could be developing our own (cheap, cap- friendly) draft picks?
     
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  16. Brook!

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    Actually still early to call him a bad GM or a good one. With any GM, you need at least 2 or 3 free agency/drafts to pass before you can make a judgement. But he is showing signs of being a pretty good GM though.
     
  17. TNJet

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    Amen. Let's fix this awful offense.
     
  18. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

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    See you said you were not going to waste your time, and....?
     
  19. LongIslandBlitz

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    I'm not judging him,I never said he wasn't qualified for the job,I just think for Jets fans to give him a gatorade bath for not signing any free agents and saving money is to funny ,We need to start making shirts "I'm an Idzik Guy" we can have that on the front of the shirt and on the back we can put "I'm not sure why yet" or "Gatorade Bath Free Agency 2014" then we can get a shirt made for NyJunc that says "Snoopy Bowl 2013 a night to remeber"
     
  20. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Funny that you automatically assumed he was talking about you with that comment. If you're so sure that you are not being judgmental of Idzik, shouldn't you have assumed that he wasn't?

    Except both you and I know that you are full of shit, so I guess it's cool
     

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