I watched a lot of film and the Jets QB situation is not complicated.

I would have picked Fields. He was #3 overall for me at the time of draft, and I would just pick him. Now of course knowing he would have gone 11th, I could do same manipulations to gain extra capital, but the bottom line is: I would have come out of this draft with Fields instead of Zach.

 

That's the thing with Mike: sample size is very small. Last year he wasn't that good. I watched all the games live and then reviewed the tape. Overall, too many INT worthy throws, he also stunk against NE, not just the Bills. I know he didn't start that game but still. Overall it was not a great season based on tape, and conventional stats support this as well: only 75 passer rating. Clearly he wasn't great. Then reports of poor training camp this season. Preseason featured only one good game, and overall was not great. Then things started to change as he started doing well in practice, elevated and ultimately started 3 games.

Now, in these 3 games I think he was a changed man. All 3 games were great. If we could get that level of production for the entire season, he would easily be my long term starter. But can he? That is a big question, which I am not sure will be answered for JD even with a few more games like this. After blowing QB position with Zach, will JD bet his second chance on Mike even if Mike has 2-3 more good games, making 5-6 total this season? As opposed to Carr, who had 8 seasons of good production? I suppose if White really plays well he might. But remember - Foles won the SB, signed a big contract, and then sucked thereafter. With Carr there is some sort of assurance in longevity. I personally hope Mike balls out and we re-sign him before he becomes FA. But, as you said, let's see what he does going forward and then we can talk.

 

And to kind of expand on your point, aside from the 'fun' aspect I mentioned earlier in the thread, in order for an athlete to just react & not overthink everything, the athlete must be who they are. What I've seen from the Jets QB 'developers,' are people forcing him to be something he's not. They didn't design the offense around his talents, but instead tried to force him to adapt to their sacred scheme. And they didn't bring in an experienced developer, rather than a water boy, to mentor him.
And that's the most puzzling thing, to me, about the Zach follies... why did they draft him, if they didn't want him?
Lots of people say they should've taken Justin Fields... what makes anyone think that this same Jets organization, wouldn't have done the same thing to Fields as they did to Zach?
Forcing a thoroughbred to be a trotter... never likely to work.

 

So basically it’s still complicated

 

At this point Wilson should be traded if at all possible. It’s not even for his sake but the teams. It should be made crystal clear that they’ll never have to worry about suffering through QB play that bad again.

 

They’ve already poured money and picks into the OL.

 

Keep at it.

 

100% convince they screw up every QB they draft except Peyton because he would have told them to screw off. Red, yellow, green light with Sanchez. I saw his first game in Houston. If you want to develop a QB that can win games for you, you have to let them play. Take two years of not being over critical of mistakes. Get the reps, most importantly protect them with an OLine. They either have to play and make mistakes or sit and learn.

 

Feel the exact same way

 

Zach Wilson looks exactly like he did in college. The problem is this is the NFL and the NFL is just too fast for him.

There's a lot of great scouting stuff on film from BYU. Everybody who looked at him had the same comments about his strengths and weaknesses. Strengths: live arm and not afraid to throw the ball. Weaknesses: anticipation and inability to throw somebody open. You go to the NFL with that skillset and one of two things happen: you throw a bunch of picks or you're afraid to throw the ball and you take a bunch of sacks. In either case your completion pct and yards per pass attempt is too low to stick in the NFL.

One huge difference between college and the NFL is that you absolutely cannot hold the ball until you see somebody open in the NFL. The defenders are too good and too fast to allow for that kind of action. that doesn't mean that you won't get a bunch of wide open completions but that's all you are going to get.

In the NFL you have to let the ball go before the receiver is open a lot of the time. You have to trust in the system and the receiver's skills to make that lightly contested throw into a reception. You have to have the imagination and timing to throw to a spot in the field that you expect your receiver to be when it arrives.

Zach Wilson doesn't have this and Mike White has it in spades. Not saying that White will ultimately prove out but he has the required skills to take advantage of receivers like Garrett Wilson and Elijah Moore.

 

This is not new. He missed wide open guys last year, too. The locker room knows there is talent on this team and having far and away the worst quarterback playing was costing them stats all year. When it started costing them wins, too they couldn't let it go anymore.

 

How could you say he does not suck? He is and has been the worst starting quarterback in the league since he came here. He doesn't just suck, he is being talked about as being one of the biggest all time busts drafted at quarterback. The jags game was just another feather in his cap of shitty qb play.

You know who else made good throws and the correct reads every once in a while? Ryan Leaf. You know who else? JaMarcus Russell.
Stop blaming the Jets for Zach Wilson sucking. Blame them for picking an awful quarterback, but not for making him suck. If the Jets were so bad at helping quarterbacks succeed, wouldn't Sanchez have gone on to be great elsewhere? How was Geno Smith the last 9 years? What about Darnold? I don't see him getting many pro bowl votes in Carolina.

The only person who has been honest about Zach in the media is Richard Sherman and he is even holding back so he doesn't hurt poor Zachy boy's feelings.

I would like to hear our receivers tell the truth about him without filters, or a real quarterback coach without trying to handle him with kid gloves...

Let's start judging players on baseless potential instead of how they actually play on the field.

 

What Zach is missing is one of the hardest things to acquire. It's something you pick up very early as a QB, maybe in high school at the latest.

Now to learn it he will have to do things that feel completely unsafe over and over again. The confidence that the ball will wind up in his receivers hands instead of the defenders is acquired over time with successful completions and every pick diminishes it.

Last year he came into the NFL not knowing that his strengths and weaknesses would lead to a lot of picks and he threw a lot of picks before the injury. After the injury he'd had more time to reflect and look at the NFL and he realized what the deal was and started holding the ball, cutting his picks dramatically but predictably upping his sacks and cutting down on his plus receptions.

This year he was holding onto the ball and the picks didn't happen until he suddenly had to throw in a big game against the Pats and then the picks came back. After that he was sitting on the ball again and the sacks came back.

It's kind of like a trap for him and the only way to break the cycle is to throw the ball up for grabs in situations where he will feel like it is inherently unsafe to do so. Then he has to pray that the throws work.

There's a reason his self-confidence is shot. He's in a huge trap and there's no easy way out. Just hard ways.

 

Any notes on Elijah Moore from your research? Hard to tell if the fanbase over hyped him or if the terrible QB play or play calling (like not having him in the slot all year) are the true culprits

 

DK, I have a question on the 3rd down sack that was followed by the FG against Jags. Everyone knows it was safety blitz. I think it was Cover 0, tight man to man or could have been cover 1 with safety on top of Wilson. Not sure. Question is, was there a hot route? Was there a WR open for the hot throw. I can’t remember if back was in backfield or empty. If back in backfield, who did he block?

 

So using hindsight you’d pass on the lowest rated passer of the season and instead pick the 5th lowest rated passer… jfc

 

Agree 100%

There is NO tangible evidence that could be produced that doesn’t point to him being one of the worst QBs in the league. There is NO way you can watch him play and not come to the conclusion that he sucks. We hear all the excuses from OL to drops to throwaways and lord knows what else but the stats never changed. This false narrative that he was improving was bullshit all along. His numbers barely changed. They were extremely consistent. Then we also heard the bullshit that well he’s 5-2…yeah ok, but he did not play particularly well in those wins either…less than 200 yards and shit completion rate. We had arguments on here about completion rate not being reflective of accuracy for chrissakes. We had people saying we should not count his throwaways for chrissakes. Every other QB on our roster, including a 4th stringer like Streveler, has looked much better than him. That’s telling.

and then people who called him for what he is were labeled as haters and not real Jets fans…crazy to me.

he suck’s. That’s all it is. He’s not an NFL QB. He doesn’t see the field well, he doesn’t hit receivers consistently enough, and he makes bad decisions on the field. He’s terrible. It sucks that we wasted the number two on him but it is what it is.

I don’t think his chances of turning it around are very good…he needs to sit and he probably needs a fresh start somewhere else but I don’t think he is in our future.

but I’m glad this debate is finally over…

 

He's been ascending after first 6 games of the year and has no weapons. I can see Josh Allen trajectory there. I think he would have thrived for the Jets in a better team, with his old teammate GW to pass the ball to. Plus he is only 23.