I don't understand how we got in this position

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  1. Jtuds

    Jtuds Active Member

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    Well for one thing you can't sign guys who arent out there. The receiver issue will be tough to fix. All the WRs available are kinda old or just plain not that good.

    There are 3 offensive linemen out there as free agents who I think the Jets should look at but hopefully the team has done their homework and there is a reason why they have not been brought in. It sure doesn't look good though!
     
  2. Hemi

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    Wait, first people wanted olineman. So the Jets draft Mangold and Ferguson, develop Brandon Moore and sign some solid FAs to fill out the line and do pretty well. Then while that is happening the front seven on D is aging and failing.

    So then the Jets go defense, drafting multiple Dlineman and LBs to replace guys that will be gone next year like Pace and Scott. Now the front seven is getting younger and faster, and the oline is getting some age and issues.

    People complain about the Jets signing FAs to fill spots, so they draft young talent like Hill to play WR, and then people bitch that they didn't sign a FA.

    So much circular arguments here it is silly. The lack of depth, yea, I get that. Hunter, sure he is not the answer. But they are building, and I expect them to go heavy on some oline talent next year to fill out the roster. This year will be a bit of transition to the younger set on D and some youth at WR, but once it is settled this will be a solid team. You can't fill all the holes overnight, but there is plenty of talent on this team. Every team in the NFL has problems.

    But to give up after one preseason game is typical TGG.
     
  3. PatsFanTX

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    All teams have the same amount of money to spend.

    All the good teams spend the most money on playmakers (QB,WR,RB) and not on a CB.
     
  4. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    It's fucking pre season! We have a strategy, it's called DEFENSE. On the offensive side of the ball we have to pickup first downs at a crawling pace with our running game. Finally, when the opportunity presents itself hit the home run with a mean, devastating, play action pass.

    Sanchez has to tuck that ball away like Pennington use to be a master at. Hold the fake for an extra second, fearless, and then roll the fuck out and hit a bomb on the numbers. The tempo on offense has to have urgency. Get to the line hit some fucking body. Then get up, get right back to the line and hit some fucking body again.

    We have to be the roughest, toughest, ugliest, meanest, hungriest, fastest, most well endured ground 'n pound machine in the game. Our defense has to be fast, fly around, get pressure on the qb, hit the damn qb and create turnovers and field position that places our offense in the best position to tack on points.

    It won't be pretty, we're not your grandmothers team and wining and making it to the playoffs is achievable. Make it to the playoffs and any mother fucking thing can happen.
     
  5. The 1985er

    The 1985er Well-Known Member

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    The Jets are letting guys develop that's why they aren't as aggressive in going out and getting players.
     
  6. Harpua

    Harpua Well-Known Member

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    That about sums it all up nicely. :beer:
     
  7. deerow84

    deerow84 Well-Known Member

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    Why do our receivers suck? Probably mostly due to drafting. But that's easier said than done. Every team has holes and every team has really strong points. The question is are our strong points the right ones and are our holes to big to overcome? That question can only be answered on the field.
     
  8. PatsFanTX

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    That's a great strategy if it were the 1960's.

    Today's NFL is all about offense.
     
  9. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

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    ^How's Mallet looking?
     
  10. stinkyB

    stinkyB 2009 Best Avatar Award Winner

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    Too bad the Past LOST their last 2 trips to the Super Bowl to a team with a superior defense.
     
  11. PatsFanTX

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    Ummm, last year the Giants defense was ranked 25th in the NFL.

    In 2007, the Giants defense was ranked 17th.

    Again, today's NFL is all about offense.
     
  12. Barcs

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    Not really. If your team can limit a 30 PPG offense to 21 or less, then they are doing something right and their offense does not need to perform at a high level to succeed. Prime example is the 49ers last year, who destroyed everyone until they met a superior defense. The Giants last year were injured all year, but played lights out D in the late season going into the playoffs, so those regular season stats are irrelevant. Their defense on Brady is what cost you the game. All you need to do is get one solid hit on Brady and he's done for the game. That's why offense is great, but defense wins games. If you even had a semi decent defense in NE, you could have dominated. But you didn't. It's funny that this comes from a Pats fan, knowing full well that the teams inability on defense is what cost them the superbowl this year and probably last year as well. Realistically you shouldn't have gotten past the Ravens again this year.
     
  13. Trip McNealy

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    The team went all in for 2010. Came up short. All the moves and trades we made going into that year and trying to stack up on defense has come back and kind of bit us in the ass. It was a great run, but the offense doesnt have much talent.

    It doesnt help we whiffed on Sanchez a bit, and the running back we traded up for the same year is a JAG.

    The one lineman we took early is a liability. Thinking Hunter was a capable replacement to Damien Woody was a fatal error.The offense just has a lot of holes...we missed on the few picks we've made on offense and we've pretty much ignorned it for the most part.
     
  14. Big Blocker

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    The situation with the Giants last year was anomalous. Focusing on their season long regular season ranking leaves out that they had big problems in the secondary early on that were more or less fixed as the season went on, and into the playoffs. Meanwhile their DL was playing great, and got better. Eli had a great game in the SB, but if the Giants had a lesser D, they may not have prevailed against NE. In short the season long ranking was misleading about how their D played in the playoffs. Most people acknowledge the Giants have a very good D.
     
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    I got admit, I agree with everything you say. And the one nobody talks about is TE, forget about a catching TE to backup Keller, we don't have any TE's that can block so now we are going use another OL as a 2nd TE which basically tells everyone that we are running. Our GM has done a lousy job of building this team ever since Rex took over and now look where we are.
     
  16. sec314

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    With the WR's we are going into Saturday's game against the best DL in football, it seems to me that our QB is being put in a position to fail. Not on purpose mind you, but he's in a bad spot. Which QB could succeed in a offense that can't pass because of crappy WR's and bad pass protection? Who would succeed when things break down. Yeap, got admit it, right now Tim Tebow fits this offense better then Sanchez. If our offense comes out and gets its rear end kicked and then Tebow comes in and makes plays with his legs and throws a couple of nice balls... well then I could be wrong about what I have been thinking all along. We might be better off with Tebow as our starter. I hope I am wrong but I wanted to throw it out there
     
  17. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    I don't think our receivers are nearly as crappy as people are making them out to be.

    Holmes is a very good receiver. Hill can at the very least stretch the field and run block. He has big time upside above and beyond that but as a rookie we probably won't see that. Kerley and Keller are pretty good targets underneath too.

    I mean i know we don't have randy moss and chris carter but it's not terrible.

    We're DEVELOPING young drafted talent. But but but Rex said mean things about Kerley!
     
  18. Milliner is your Mommy

    Milliner is your Mommy Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Holmes last year was frustrated and didn't produce as much because our O line was playing poorly and he was getting doubled almost every play. Hill stretching the field will help open up room for Santonio like when Braylon was here. Kerley should do better. Keller is still here and Cumberland is healthy.

    I really think people are in panic mode from the first preseason quarter haha.
     
  19. Trip McNealy

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    Nah. All you need to do is look at the perosonnel on offense. The first quarter against Cinci just kind of confirms it.

    This team is going to struggle to get first downs this year.
     
  20. JetsVilma28

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    And this is Sparano's job to make the best decision for our offense. All feelings aside this is a business and the business is winning. Granted this is pre season and counts for absolutely nothing, but every week the scouting report should evaluate opposing teams strengths and weakness and Sparano and the Jets offense (Sanchez/Tebow) should have a plan for every snap.

    Down and distance. 3rd and short bring in Tebow to get the first down, play action pass with Sanchez rolling out, if the pass is not there dive for the first down. It doesn't have to be pretty just effective. I think Tebow could be New York Jets new, "Mr. 3rd down." Just move the chains and Sanchez is right back in the huddle. Fast, fast high intensity tempo on offense. bang, go, bang, go, bang, go. inside, outside, left, right, dive, sweep, play action pass.

    By getting to 3rd and short on every drive we should be putting our offense in the best position to be successful.
     

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