Exactly my point. Plus we need that Bulldozer RB if we're going to play smash mouth football. I'm suprised that nobody's stopped to think what will happen if we trade TJ away and Greene becomes a bust. Then all we have is Washington as our Starter, Caulrick as a backup. That doesn't sound nearly as appealling to me as a Jones/Washington/Greene setup. I think we really really have a chance to succeed if we use our backs the same way The Giants did, where they let Bradshaw come in late 3rd quarter and all of the 4th. Imagine what Washington would do with fresh legs in the 4th quarter against a tired Defense. It would be a horror for DC's
this team needs tj hes one of the only legitimate rbs to play for the jets since curtis martin retired. the guy is all about football lock him up for 2-3 years
I don't hate him, I just think we should trade him while he still has some value and get another WR in return. I think Greene/Leon would be a great combo and if we add another WR for Sanchez to throw to, it'll be a very powerful offense.
How do you lock a player for the rest of his life. Didn't the Jets try that with Kendall, TJ, and Washington? They all said after they pocketed most of their money that they wanted more because their salary for that year was low. If you don't give Mangold a lot of money in the first year or two, then it's going to be hard to sign him. And then if you do that, you have to give him less money later and he could complain and hold out like these three did. If Gholston plays up to his potential and then it's a year where he is getting a little, he can hold too even though he got some 20 million in guaranteed money and he is averaging 6 million a year. This is the kind of stuff that might make me give up being a football fan. It's getting really annoying and tiring.
IMO Thomas Jones is real important to this team. I think he still adds major value. Maybe I'm wrong, if we don't resign him, I hope I am.
Yes. You SHOULD guarantee the rest of his contract. He's only due a little over 7 mil. You bring the bonus forward as salary make the cap number 3.5/3.5 he's happy, we're happy, and every up and coming FA sees that we TOOK CARE of a guy that earned it, not once (Coles) but twice. Don't think that Jones' agent isn't counting on the Jets having to also deal with future perception.
TJ=Shawn Alexander. Remember him? MVP, led league in rushing, signed fat contract at a late age, and `'POOF`' he was gone. No Thanks! Sign Leon and go from there, TJ GOT his money!:wink:
It doesn't affect us. It only came in $1 million over most predictions for the 2009 cap. In other words, the projections that you've been seeing as far as our cap space were based on the anticipated 2009 cap of $127 million, not on last year's cap number. So, we gained an extra $1 million on top of what we thought we'd have in cap space. Yesterday, we thought we had about $12 million in space. Today, $13 million.
didnt shawn alexander have a poor work ethic and a foot injury? i am pretty sure that is different from thomas jones. then again we drafted eric ainge because the patsies drafted brady late.
I think Shaun Alexander takes too much abuse. He averaged 350 carries for three years from 03 to 05. There is a clear trend that excessive carry numbers shorten a career. Look at what happened to Larry Johnson after the 416 carry season Herm Edwards gave him in 06.
That's still a negative on the guarantee. That's the worst thing you can do. All it takes is a year for a RB to complete fall off and I'm not willing to take a chance on that. When I said give Jones I raise I meant, give him an extra 500-600K so that he can earn over a cool Millie to a Millie n a half. That's reasonable considering he's already banked on about 14-15M. No on guaranteeing Jones the rest of his contract. No on extending him.
I think that it would be a wise move to give Leon a contract, right now. The Jets definitely are going to be run-heavy this year. Leon will probably improve on his numbers from last year and demand even more money at the end of the season.
I'm not sure his current contract can be reworked. Pretty sure we'd need to start over on a new contract, as I'm not sure roster bonuses can be converted to salary on the same contract. Roster bonuses can be converted to signing bonuses, which would shift 1.5 million onto this year's cap. However, that would qualify as a contract negotiation in the final capped year, which means the deal would be shut down by the 30% rule, as his base salary would increase by 300% from 2009 to 2010, well over the allowed 30% increase. So, if we work on a new deal with him, we're looking at issuing a new contract, which would accelerate the remaining signing bonus proration onto the current cap. In other words, we'd be hit for $3 million in old signing bonus money, PLUS whatever money he was given on a new deal, and we STILL can't negotiate his new contract to offset that, because we'd need to fit under the 30% rule. So, if we paid him a base salary of $2 million for the season, he'd be hitting our cap this season for $5 million. However, he'd have a maximum allowable salary + roster bonus of $2.6 million for next year, which is still too low to meet his expectations. He'd require a signing bonus to drive the numbers up. So, if he wants $5 million per on a NEW deal, and we pay base salaries/roster bonuses of, say $2 million, $2.6 million, and $4 million (any higher and he'll just be afraid that we're going to threaten to cut him in the final year again), we're still looking at a signing bonus nearly $7 million. That pushes over $2 million more onto the current cap. Suddenly, you're looking at a cap number of $8 million just for THIS season. I'm sorry, but I really don't see how we end up renegotiating his contract.
if anybody can do it, it's Tanny. Remember, when he was brought in here he was known as a capologist. He knows what he's doing in terms of signings and how much he has to work with. I know it doesn't happen this way, but I wish players would shut up and play sometimes. This guy isn't Curtis Martin in terms of talent or classiness. So why should we pay him like it? Let him sulk.
It's not really about the $ with Boldin it's more about the draft pick compensation. I think the asking price is so high because Arizona doesn't really want to get rid of him. I think Plax would be awesome because not only is he a great reciever but he would also come cheap with no draft pick compensation. If you ask me i think the Jets are waiting to see if there's any way he gets out of jail time and a suspension by the commish. If not i'm thinking we're gonna make a move on someone else either trade(Edwards) or a FA. I have a sick feeling we may wind up with Harrison, but i'm really praying i'm wrong.
I think unless we can get Braylon Edwards for TJ that we should re-sign him and just balance out his contract a bit. He is not a great player by any stretch, he is not a dynamic back, he doesn't run guys over, he doesn't put crazy moves on people.... but he has done a couple things for us that are hard to find in the NFL. He stays healthy (which is gold at the RB position) and he rarely gets tackled for a loss. He provides depth at a position that it is very nice to have depth at, due to high risk of injury. I wouldn't cry if we gave him up though, I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to buy a TJ jersey, he isn't a playmaker, but with the type of physical running we're going to do this year, let's use and abuse that old body for one more year and give SG some time to develop (who I think will develop into a much better back than TJ has ever been.
I've read several reports saying that we are ~$13 million under the cap right now. With this, I would like to sign Leon, the rookies, and Mangold if possible. We should also save $1-2 million in case we need to make a move sometime during the season due to injury.
Sign Washington and Mangold to extensions. As for TJ, I would not give in. 30 year old RBs fall off a cliff. The guy got $20 milion for four years. He has two years left on that deal. Signing old players to new contracts or giving them raises or extensions is not fiscally responsible. Wasn't the year Jones had expected of a guy when you trade a 2nd round pick and give him $20 million?? As for trading him, a 31 year old RB has no value at all. Zippo. Let's stop with the trade talk. This is the NFL, not some video game or fantasy game.
Jones has no leverage. He can be fined for missing mandtory team Mini camps and training camp. His replacement has already been drafted. He is in effect screwed. I doubt he sees another penny from the Jets this season and will be cut the next. There is no need to resign him. He just needs to show up and play for the contract he signed a couple years ago. There is not much he's going to do to get around it.
