Green Bay Pitt NE the perennial contenders get as MANY draft picks as possible..thats the only WTG Signing Vets to humongous contracts and going after pricey free agents gets you ripped off when they sign and then go on Vacation
If you went looking for guys who specifically though they could work with Hackenberg the odds are you'd get two very strange guys in those roles at this point. The process I was talking about with the guru deciding to take a shot on a Warner or Romo isn't something you can create by force of will (or hiring). It's about random chance and serendipity coming together for just the right guys at the right point in time and some magic happening off of that. Hackenberg is so flawed at this point that unless somebody approached the Jets and affirmatively said that they thought they could fix him and really wanted the chance the odds are the Jets have a mismatch on their hands.
It also costs you comp picks and cuts off the space for surprising young players to develop and give you value that way.
I agree you have to look at the roster with a big picture approach. In my post I talked about wanting to keep Mangold and Harris around to influence young Jets(granted at a reduced price). By all accounts, they have epitomized being professional. I also want them around post playing career. Treating them with the respect they earned would hopefully show others that we are a reasonable destination for players. Many of my suggestions were in order to try to shorten the rebuild period and I agree/hope it could come early. At that point you should have a core and cap space allowing some prudent signings. It is my belief that the early resurrection probably doesn't occur without considerable improvement in QB play or flat out finding that franchise QB.
To do a "competitive rebuild", your team has to first be competitive. That rules this approach out for the Jets. So quit trying to sound so "holier than thou" and accept reality...or at least tolerate those who do, you'll get more people to listen to you at least.
I disagree. Serendipity definitely happens, and we can't totally control our destiny, but we do have some say in it. I doubt if ANY NFL teams rely or depend upon luck or serendipity to help them become winners. If NFL don't discuss the talent/players on the team with prospective position coaches and coordinators, then they're missing the boat. That would help explain why so many teams never seem to improve and get their acts together, however. If nothing else, discussing those players should help the HC and GM get an idea of the thought process of the prospective coach/coordinator, and they may gain some insights into how to better develop a player. HCs and GMs don't know everything, and should seek to learn from prospective hires.
I would be amazed if the GM didn't discuss - and reach agreement - with the HC at least, and preferably all the coaches on which players, or type of players, they prefer. Given all the "D" minded HCs we've had, it's certainly no coincidence that "somehow" we wind up spending more on "D" than "O". And then people wonder why they can't find a good QB, or employ a TE in an offense. And given we still have the same people in charge, I won't hold my breath waiting for things to change (but I WILL pray a lot, and burn incense, and employ voodoo dolls liberally!).
Why don't you have the balls to come out and say you want the Jets to lose to get a better draft position? Just say it, man!
How long have you rooted for the Jets? When you can say "More than 40 years", then I'll listen. But you have no idea how frustrated someone like me who has rooted for them since 1962 when they were the NY Titans, has become. If, out of 54 years of near-futility, I am willing to endure ONE year of a really poor record so they can finally get a high draft pick without having to mortgage their future, you've got no leg to stand on. If you can't handle ONE year of losing, find another team. And that said, I personally am not rooting for them to tank, nor would I expect them to. But if they made decisions that in the short term - this year - cost them wins, but in the long term made them consistent winners, that only makes sense, but I can tell from your posts that's a foreign idea to you.
I have the balls in spades, my man. They're the size of canteloupes! LOL Yes, for the 2017 season, I hope the Jets play hard, smart and tough, but because of the lack of talent at some positions, holes and lack of depth, go at least 2-14, if not 0-16. That would put us in prime position for the 2018 draft to either get our FQB, get our future LT, get that stud pass rusher we've been lacking, or trade down for a barrel of picks, so we can really overhaul the roster. I'll gladly sacrifice one season to set us up for 5-10 years of a truly legit playoff team and challenger for the Lombardi Trophy.
Then you ought to be able to handle "sacrificing" one year for the long haul. Seriously, what has "competitive rebuilding" gotten them? I guarantee you that it won't get them even to a SB, let alone win one, and at this point, that's all I'm settling for. Fuck making the playoffs as a wild card and going one and done! Build a team that go the whole way, and quit screwing around with patches that never really work anyway, and worse, set them back farther in the process. If you can't - or won't - understand this, then we'll never agree, but we can do so respectfully I hope.
Why do so many guys here believe a year or even two of high draft picks is a magic bullet for turning a team around? Why do so many here believe there is some magician in Florham Park who could identify the motherlode or someone there to convert a couple of top five draft picks into a couple of long term superstars? Here's an exercise that might be illuminating to all of us but I don't have the time nor the desire to argue the players: Come up with a list of the league's top ten players at each position today - quarterbacks, running backs, receivers, OL, DL, LB, DB. Then see how many are playing for the team that drafted them. The list would need to be objective - no fair stacking it with players to prove a point. Maybe I underestimate the draft, maybe you overestimate it.
I've sacrificed over fifty. I'm not ready to lose a single game that could be won. Call me old-fashioned.
No way in hell would I watch my team tank. If you lose, lose with dignity. If you aren't a talented team, the effort needs to be out there each and every week regardless. You get the cards you are dealt. Tanking still hasn't really worked in the NFL. You can argue Andrew Luck all you want, but the last couple of seasons 0 playoff wins and Luck has regressed.
Why? Because the teams that are the best and are consistently in the hunt for the Lombardi Trophy are the Pats, Seahawks, Packers, and Steelers. Those teams are built for the most part solely through the draft. To win in today's NFL a team needs at least 4 things: 1) a franchise QB; 2) a solid HC who is good with game management, Xs and Os, and has the respect and attention of his players; 3) a consistent pass rush; and 4) talent on both sides of the ball. Teams don't trade their franchise QB or their stud pass rusher or allow them to leave in FA unless they've gotten old, have serious character issues and have committed a crime or something like that. The only way the Jets will get a franchise QB and a stud pass rusher is to draft them. The only way the Jets will be able to build a consistent, sustainable winner is via the draft. It just can't be done long term by signing older, expense FAs in the age of the cap. I don't have any hope or illusions that Bowles is gonna turn into the kind of HC the Jets need to become a SB winner. At this point, I think the best we can hope for is that Bowles will get fired and that Mac will prove to be a quality GM and allowed to hire the next HC. If either Petty or Hack develop, or the Jets are able to get their franchise QB in this draft or the 2018 draft and Bowles is gone, then I think the Jets would have a chance to be a very good team starting in 2019 if not 2018. With Bowles still here and the Jets continuing with the "competitive rebuild, I think the chances are nil that they'll be good at any time in the next 5 years. I'm positive that if you took the time to do your own exercise, you'd see that most of those top ten players are playing for the team that drafted them.
Which is why my first two picks would be QB and Pass Rusher (Unless a LT were a better pick in the 2nd).
Certainly that's the impression a lot of guys have here, I'm just not so sure it's accurate, hence the survey I suggested but the problem is defining the ten best. There's also the impossibility, except in rare cases, of developing a consensus on who belongs in those top two slots. Only about 2/3 of top ten picks succeed in the NFL.
