if he takes a qb with the 1 its because geno A. has not shown enough to want to build around and B. the qb he picks is top of the draft chart. 2nd round qb's do not get the tryout that a 1st rounder gets. if they were that confident in geno they would have took him on the 13 instead of Richardson. colon landry ?all his acquisitions have been low risk high reward. what did we lose by signing Garrard? who could we have signed that wouldn't have hindered the cap more than it was? asfar as goodson. there were no red flags too say he would be passed out on a highway with one of his boys and a pistol and some smoke. get off the spoon fed media shit. if he was a high risk we would have heard it BEFORE THE FACT.
He played against 3s and 4s. Half of them won't make their respective teams and the other half will be at the bottom of the depth chart. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. Don't get me wrong, Simms actually changed my mind. I honestly thought he was living on his father's name, but he beat out McElroy, made the roster, and played very well while doing it. He is just not a viable option at QB RIGHT NOW.
There...fixed that for you... Just to make sure that EVERYONE knows there are 22 number 1's on an opening day NFL Roster. Followed by 3 specialist (ls, k & p) then 24 number 2's. That is the ACTIVE opening day roster. Soooooooo To say that Matt Simms light up a bunch of number 2's for the entire first have and then 3's in the 2nd....yeah, I'll take that. BTW...I was considered a number 2 when I played so every time you people belittle we "number 2's" I take it personally!!!
If you didn't know who the Jets QB's were and watched all 4 throw it would be hard to conclude that Simms didn't have the quickest release and best arm. Doesn't mean he can be a pro QB but it does mean he has the quickest release and best arm. Now if the other 3 guys have shown nothing at all, why wouldn't you put the best mechanics on the field? Lets get real, the only reason anyone is talking about Matt Simms is because Sanchez is a proven NFL wash out and Geno has proven nothing on the NFL level and looks lost, McElroy proved he can take a sack. Granted this is why Clemens was a 2nd round draft pick and he sucked but this is about getting lucky. We all know what's going to happen with Geno if he's thrown into the fire when he isn't ready.
Also, both Geno Smith and Matt Simms should be in the same discussion...I mean really, how can you not? They are both young and raw. One looks a helluva lot LESS raw than the other. We just chose to start the more raw one based on college and draft spot. God forbid they had a viable option on the roster and didn't see it then wasted a 2nd round draft pick. You see...as I've said in many threads...Matt Simms never got a real look with the top guys. in fact Matt Simms didn't get a real look at all and I'll tell you why. He didn't just go through all those OTA's...Training Camp...with a marshmallow, inaccurate arm and understanding of the offense. That's right...he just showed up in games flipped his little switch and miraculously knew the offense, was accurate and showed smarts, leadership and a cannon. I'm telling you guys...that switch is probably right under his armpit!!!! Yes sirreee bob! Matt Simms, unlike Mark Sanchez, is a fantastic GAME player and must blow monkey and donkey ass chunks in practice. But, HEY, let's start the even MORE raw and undeveloped Rookie because he just TORE UP the fantastic BIG 12!!! Wait...he didn't. He had a 7-6 record and only beat ONE team, Texas, of quality in his own conference and ONE outside the conference. Yeah baby...Geno Smith is head and shoulders above Matt Simms based on what I've SEEN.... (I love dripping sarcasm):lol:
I agree with your basic premise, mezz. However, don't forget that in the games Geno lost that year the defense gave up 40-60 points a game. Do you realistically expect any QB to win like that?
Biggs, you got THAT right! I find it hilarious that there are so many arguments going on trying to justify the "thought" process in starting Smith over Simms. God DAMN YOU SANCHEZ!!!! Why did you have to put us in this situation? If he could have screwed his head on a little tighter and dropped 10 turnovers from his repertoire we wouldn't be HAVING this discussion. To me he has hosed us out double time!
Well....let's put an accurate depiction out there....They were only in 2 of those games, the TCU game and the Oklahoma game...they were getting blown out in the other three so it washes things out. If the defense gave up only 21 points in 2 of those they still lose. So, no...the offense wasn't good enough in more than half of those to go toe to toe. Texas Tech L49-14 #4 Kansas St L55-14 TCU L39-38 2OT Oklahoma St L55-34 #12 Oklahoma L50-49
This thread is the ultimate facepalm. If I have to hear one more time how Matt Simms turned heads or is part of the future, or is going to unseat someone or is going to put us in a spot where we dont draft a QB/Trade Geno im going to vomit. Not only was it just a preason game but: 1) it was the 4th preseason game. one that is played by 2md and 3rd string guys, with most time going to players who are on the fence to be cut. He will never ever ever ever face something that horrid during a regular season game. ZERO should be taken from that performance other then "hey, not the worst thing if he sticks around as the 3rd string/emergency QB 2) He didnt even play all that well. some are making it out like he threw for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns. He didint throw a single touchdown, and other then 2 drives basically starting in the eagles redzone, he didnt lead us to a scoring touchdown drive. furthermore, he threw 2 passes that easily shoudl have been picked off, and likely would have had that been against starters. Can he ever be a backup or a starter? who knows maybe. but using any analysis based off the 4th preseason game is simply idiotic. What he did/does in training camp and in practice even is 100 times more valuable. which is why he is given absolutely 0 consideration for a backup job, let alone a starting one. I realize sanchez is trash. I realize Geno doesnt instill a ton of hope. but that doesnt mean some scrub who does ok in a preseason game needs to be nut hugged by this board. this list of scrubby nobodies to light up a 4th preseason game is endless, and most never took an nfl snap in a regular season game
Unfortunately...you have to "nut hug" the guys we have....it's not like I could "nut hug" Peyton Manning or Tom Brady!!! Sanchez sucks...I have little to no confidence in Geno Smith...I have a big "you've got to be kidding me with Harrell...er...I mean Quinn"...so I'm STUCK "nut hugging" the freakin' 2nd year player that actually completed almost 80% of his passes and should have be closer to 90%! Is that enough REASON for me to be "nut huggin'" somebody??:rofl2:
If Peyton Manning or Tom Brady where on the Jets. I guarantee that you would be doing this so called 'nut hugging'. :lol:
So... how much of that 4th preseason game did you bother to watch, if any? Because you seem to be relying on box score stats to try and fail to shut up people who know football and saw a ton of physical skill, decision making, and poise that can't be explained away by saying that he was playing against 2's and 3's. In short, you don't seem to know what the fuck you are talking about, and ignorant posts like that one quoted above are what make me want to vomit.
A) please list the qualifications that you possess that enables you to judge and rate physical skill at the NFL level B) stop taking yourself and your arguments so serious, this is a message board
of course if we draft a 1st round QB next year it is Idzik admitting he missed on Smith. the problem with your statement is what you are asserting Idzik should do -- that despite missing on Smith he should stick with him instead of drafting another QB who can help us rather than admitting his mistake. you are asserting that Idzik should not draft another QB next year, even if Smith isn't very good and a better option is available, simply so he isn't admitting his mistake. a sensible person would state that they prefer Idzik admit his mistake and move on to another QB. the only think you have said that has merit is that if he drafts another QB next year and he sucks too, Idzik has to go. you don't get too many chances swinging for high round QB's and missing.
:lol:you can rest easy, now , mezz. they brought in brady quinn, the guy who could not beat out tim tebow in denver. just head to vegas and bet the mortgage on the jets, cause brady is now the veteran backup to smith. :rofl2:
