Why so hostile? I am merely questioning the resume of two of our free agent signings. I have no doubt that many on this board know more about them than I do, and I was wondering if people believe they were good acquisitions. I remain unconvinced; I don't just defer to Tangini. Faneca and Jenkins were excellent acquisitions, no doubt. But will we come to regret the other two signings? I do appreciate that the market is crazy, and two years from now these could be steals. That's a very valid point. But what abou the players themselves? Oh, and I see no reason to be called a douchebag fan, whoever that was...I think this is a salient point.
Impossible to know how much we overpaid until these guys actually take the field. If they do everything we're hoping they do, there contracts will be viewed as bargains.
The assumption is that Woody will play RT. He also is very capable playing RG and C thus a tremendous insurance policy. Maybe Olivea or Williams don't have as good all around technique - Woody is a kick as# blocker. A newly drafted LB is at least a year away - Pace I assume is better on film than the guys coming out of college AND has proven he can play not just as a pass rusher, but as an all around player in the 3-4 system. Overpaid - maybe, but who cares whether we get a bargain or overpay - in either situation if they play bad they both suck and if they play great they were a great pickup - one just happens to be a bit more expensive. Remember this, playing in the NY area is a higher cost of living thus there always is a bit more tacked on. (agree - it's a minor point).
That makes me feel better. I don't know...there's just something about giving Calvin freaking Pace all this money that doesn't sit right with me.
Former Jets OL.... I've seen a few Jet fans refer to Kris as Kerry these last couple days.... Force of habit maybe?
Do we even know the details of their contracts yet? I seem to remember people flying off the handle 2 days ago with the Faneca and Jenkins contracts before we even knew how they were structured.
Everyone needs to chill a bit. The OP was stating his opinion and starting a perfectly valid conversation. Anyway noone knows how all these changes will work out at this point. What this kind of movement does for the fan is give them hope for better days ahead. We will be going into the season with our biggest needs filled with upgraded talent, whether or not that translates into wins remains to be seen. I think Pace was a great signing, I'm very surprised that he got the money that he ended up getting, I thought he would be a smart reasonably priced second tier signing going in. I saw alot of Cardinals games last year and if we do get the Calvin Pace from last year we got ourselves a major upgrade and it gives us alot more flexibility going into the draft. If he busts it's going to hurt but judging from what I saw and the fact that there were some pretty good football people thinking he is worth the money lead me to believe he is worth the chance. Plus Tanny is a cap genius, i trust if he wont kill our cap, if there is even such a thing anymore. I dont see Woody as a guy that is a clear upgrade or definite starter, apparently he did play well at RT for 5 games though but what he does bring is versatility and quality depth and again he gives us flexibilty heading into the draft. I dont remember his contract details off hand but I didnt think he got all that much in todays market. On the surface we probably did overpay but we are definetly a more talented team and if it translates into wins and playoff contention than who really cares if we overpayed?
The $$$ is alot. Think about this. From what I have been reading Pace will make $26 million over the 1st 3 years (signing bonuses,etc.) That's $8.67million/yr. Adelius Thomas ,NE is making $22million in his 1st 2 yrs. That's $11 million/yr. Though the overall number seems ridiculous for Pace the working #s are lower and in essence the contract can be voided after 3 years because I suspect the guaranteed $$ is up front. He in actuality will make less $$$ than Thomas or about the same over 3 years. It's the worst kept secret in NE that Thomas was a disappointment this year. He was lucky enough to be surounded by great talent in Balt. I think there is a bigger upside in Pace - he's bigger than thomas and a little bit more athletic.
total Guaranteed money is 67 million for these 4 players. Ya gotta pay to play. Do you want to win now, or keep rebuilding... I'm sure the people who are in the know have a plan, so far I'm all for it. You won't know if we overpaid or not unitl you see a product on the field. Ellis
There's no problem with the Woody signing, IMO. But I am highly against the Calvin Pace signing. He's the equivalent of Bryan Thomas at this point in his career - a bunch of below average seasons that don't live up to his draft pick and then one breakout year that causes the big payday. How has that extension worked so far for the Jets? Why do we care if its not our money? The salary cap. If this was baseball I'd be jumping for joy at the Jets' ability to spend money and fill needs with guys that if they suck can just be bench players regardless of what they're making. Can't happen in the NFL. The excessive amount of money spent of Pace could have been used to go fish out a mid-tier corner or hell - save it for a Kerry Rhodes extension before he walks on us because we have no money left.
One above average season in the system does not justify $22 million guaranteed and wasted cap space. Look at Bryan Thomas in 2006. Look at Victor Hobson playing inside in 2006. Hell look at someone like Justin McCareins - one good year, gets his pay day, stops playing. One good season proves absolutely nothing in the NFL. 14 sacks in 5 seasons, in 67 games, does not garner top pass rusher money. Someone like Kerry Rhodes who has now played at a high level for two and a half seasons deserves that cap space and money. Throwing excessive cash to useless free agents leads to guys like Asante Samuel and Lance Briggs walking all over you because you can't afford to keep them.
We paid so much because we ended up in a bidding war in with Miami... Pace is supposed ot be to our defense what Adlius thomas signing was to the Patriots last year, an Upgrade to a terrible pass rush. While i would not have liked to spend as much on him either, the people who said we had to have him obviously thought he was worth the risk to out-bid Miami, and felt that no one they got in the draft would pay as many immediate dividends as he will... how it plays out... stay tuned... Ellis
How do you know we don't have enough $$ to spend on Rhodes,etc.? There are many 'proven' FAs in the past who went on to play poorly. I assume Pace was inspected by Tannenbaum with a fine tooth comb like any college draft pick - film review, backround checks, intelligence profile,etc. The difference between Pace and a college player - he's proven he has the talent to play with the speed of the NFL and more importantly fits the 3-4 system. Not unlike Vilma only backwards.
Because these signings amount to about $10-15 million to our cap right away (would like an expert with an exact number), will increase as time goes on, and the Jets still need to find the room to sign their draft picks, including the 6th overall pick which is going to be another $3-4 million by itself.
So now the Jets are responsible for the FAs walking all over everyone?? Adelius Thomas of the renowned genius BB Patriots is making $11 million/ yr in his first two years. A bit excessive - don't you think?? Nobody is complaining - was he worth that $$$ or was he lucky to have been surrounded by exceptional talent in Baltimore
Do you honestly feel that Tannenbaum has left the Jets in a situation where we cannot sign our draft picks?? The Jets have been planning this since the day after the season ended.
Because he was an all-pro LB for years before coming to New England, not someone who made his money off of 6.5 sacks in a contract year.
Awsome. Another random soure (me) say we over paid by a whole shit load for both, because let face it, in the grand scheme of things football players are all over paid! On the other hand, if we win more games next year we will all be singing the praise of the Gm/coach that got us here. :breakdance:
I know. We also don't need to use every single ounce of cap space available. That's the Parcells way. That leaves a franchise financially screwed for years. This is the first year in a while the Jets could be actual players in free agency because it's the first year since Parcells screwed us over that we were under the cap. Do we want to take one good shot at the playoffs/Super Bowl next year and then be in financial hell for a half-decade? Don't waste all-pro money on mediocre pass rushers. I'm not opposed to the Jenkins, Faneca, or Woody signings because they're proven players that are very low-risk and will contribute here. But why spend $22 million guaranteed on a player like Pace who has never even recorded 7 sacks in a season? And remember this is the first year that Tannenbaum has been a player in free agency. We'll see how the rookie situation goes.
