Basically a very good post that with which I mostly agree. The only exceptions are the bolded sentence, and your statement that the Jets had to push the cap into the future every season. I don't think we had a winning culture under Rex after 2010. We've had some seasons where we won more games than usual, but I don't call that a winning culture because we couldn't sustain it from year-to-year. Yes, pushing the cap hit into the future is what Tanny did, but I'm not sure that he had to. I think he could have opted to bite the bullet sooner, but he didn't. He was too aggressive, and part of his style was kicking the can down the road.
You are right about the winning culture statement what I should have said was that he simply improved the culture and improved our fortunes. In regards to pushing the cap money out each year I was talking about Bradway. He was put in a position by Parcells where each year he had to push the due date into the future to meet each years cap. The Jets were unable to sign FAs and had to lose many of their own. This continues until the Ty Law signing then we were saved by the extra money from the new cba in 2006. I think Tanny learned from this as he was the cap guy who helped design this mess. While he spent during his time as GM he always left himself a plan for the next year that allowed flexibility and options. He never got into true cap hell like the Jets were in 2002 to 2005. I have not followed much what he has been doing with the cap in Miami. It would be interesting to see what he has learned from his time here. I don't have much of a position overall on Parcells. I am glad he was here as I enjoyed the last 20 years more any other period as a Jet fan. But I am interested in people's opinion of how much of Parcells success was because if Belicheck and how his success in NE will change Parcells legacy.
Tannenbaum was hired in 1997. Even though he didn't succeed Bradway as GM until 2006, he was the cap guy under Parcells and going forward, so all those moves would have been on Tanny, not Bradway imo.
I agree Tanny was the cap guy that got us into cap hell but ultimately he was not the guy calling the shots and making the decisions until 2006. I think he deserves some blame for Parcells cap mess but it is fair to say it appears he learned from Parcells cap mess and did things differently as GM from 2006 on.
Bullshit on both points! 1. I went through each of the four drafts Parcells had, please tell me what drafts we had since he left that were better than those four. 2. Herm Edwards was not the best coach nor was Terry Bradway the best judge of talent but they won a lot of games even through the moronic switch from the 3-4 to the 4-3 fed the Patriots all of the talent they needed to win their first SB. The Jets used the expansion draft the get out of "cap hell" and gave Testaverde and Martin way too much money to keep the party going (neither of those extensions were on Parcell's watch).
It's not my recollection that Tanny learned anything, but I am admittedly biased against him, and it's not worth debating imo, so I'll take your word for it.
I think your analysis tells us all we need to know when you called our 12 pick draft in 1998 an A plus. 1998 was a terrible draft with only one contributor out of our 12 picks. Our first 3 picks in Dorian Booze, Scott Frost and Kevin Williams said it all. If you said a C i would say that was too high but I could respect it but saying an A plus tarnishes everything you have to say. If you are going to greatly exaggerate to justify your opinion at least try to make it look somewhat reasonable. You appear to be hungry to start an argument. My suggestion would be to find someone else. I am not a Parcells hater and have no dog in this fight. I see good and bad with Parcells time here. I am sure there are lots of other people here that dislike Parcells and might be more suitable for you to start a fight with.
1998 is where we used our first rounder on Curtis Martin. You conviently failed to include him in your grade.
I have always been a fan of your posts regardless of whether I agree or disagree with your ultimate conclusion. I appreciate the thought, time honesty and analysis you put into your posts. In an age where everyone has to "win" on the internet you always make civil thoughtful posts that always feel like a discussion rather than an argument. Thank you.
Noam, Thanks. I really appreciate it. I've enjoyed our discussions, like your posts, and wish you'd post more. I try to be thoughtful and thorough in my posts. I wish I was always civil. I'm not. I failed yesterday with Hasty. His claiming Parcells drafts from 1997-1999 were all As and A+s was just too much. There's also history there as he and I have almost never agreed, but that's no excuse. I have to do better.
He got lucky. He certainly wasn't expecting that a certain, old, journeyman QB would all of a sudden start playing like a probowler on a mission. If Vinny doesn't turn himself into the pro bowl form self, then Jets would have self-destructed in a few seasons.
you mean 1999 when vinny went down for the season right away and we were stuck with sub par QBs and didn't make the playoffs? I remember some names like ray lucas, rick mirer, and punter tom tupa. what a disaster that was. I also remember the Holy Foley who we traded to seattle after we traded for mirer. I think i still have foleys autograph somewhere in a show box
Look at the OP. He specifically mentions '98 Jets. And I was referring to such. Jets was literally one step away from the Super bowl. Jets got that close to the SB only once after that. Yes. That happened during Sanchez years. And yes. Vinny never played at the same level ever again. Neither did Jets have any luck finding a QB that could do so either. Pennington comes close, but he was more fragile than a china doll made of thin paper. So - there you have it. The roster itself was filled with aging vets all over, but somehow Vinny got red-hot at the swansong stage of his career, and led the team to the brink of SB. Was it a blind luck? Absolutely.
I know i was replying to you saying if vinny hadn't played well and my reply was like the 1999 eason when he went down and it fell apart. the 1998 season was a gift from the gods for sure. what journeyman QB has his best season of his career at 38 years old. just doesn't happen. we might have went further if it wasn't for elway and TD and the broncos. we had the upper hand up 10-0 at halftime and blew it. We had some promising years afterwards but never panned out. the brett favre year was great. we started hot, had a good team, favre was playing great, brady was down for the season. the stars aligned for us. of course favre got hurt and played through it and wound up sucking and blowing the end of the season. we had a good team that year. offense looked as good as ever. then there was sanchez and back to back AFC champ games. we had the defense, o-line, and run game. QB and WR was weak, then we wound up with braylon and holmes so it was really just sanchez as the weak link. if he would have panned out to be at least a decent starter who knows.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/07/the_10_dumbest_things_the_jets_have_ever_done.html Top of the list. After future Hall of Fame quarterback Peyton Manning decided to stay at Tennessee, new Jets head coach and general manager Bill Parcells traded the first overall pick to the Rams, who took a future Hall of Famer: offensive tackle Orlando Pace. Then Parcells traded the No. 6 pick, which Seattle used to get another future Hall of Fame offensive tackle — Walter Jones. The Jets got linebacker James Farrior at No. 8, and he went on to make two Pro Bowls — with the Steelers. Farrior never really blossomed in five seasons with the Jets. They made 11 total picks in 1997, but the draft was largely a bust for them. (They took defensive tackle Rick Terry in the second round, and he did nothing in the NFL.) Parcells went on to have success with the Jets (including a trip to the 1998 AFC Championship Game), but his first draft was not good.
we passed on 2 HOF OT to draft a LBer who was mediocre for us and we didn't resign, then went on to have a good career in pitt. I'm so tired of defensive head coaches. that's all we've had for over 2 decades. We need to get an offensive minded HC and draft some offense. Outside of 3 years in the past 20 our offense has been an epic shit show to watch
We already had Jumbo Elliot who was a very good left tackle. Instead of using the #1 overall pick on our future LT we found him in the fourth round. Fabini did an OK job with the Jets even though he split time with Roman Pfifer. If Herm cutting a defensive player loose means that player sucked please explain how the Patriots won a SB with all of our defensive retreads that Herm cut loose. Also Parcells used first round picks on Curtis Martin, Chad Pennington, and Anthony Becht. He also took Randy Thomas in round two. So do not lump him in with Herm, Rex, and Toilet Bowles who wasted all of our high picks on defenders.
Fair enough but tony gonzales sure would have been nice. we could have also got springs who went 3rd overall. regardless that draft i count 7 busts one decent who was better when he left (farrior) one good special tams player (leon johnson) 1 steal at DT (furgeson in the 7th) and 1 decent #3 WR (ward) I wouldn't call that a good draft by any means. 11 picks turned out only 1 good starter that remained with the jets and it was a 7th round pick none the less. Also parcells didn't draft martin. he was already a pro bowl RB and we traded a 1st rounder for him. shouldn't count as being a good draft pick. Chad was a good pick who just couldn't stay healthy. becht sucked. Thomas was good. remember the same year we took chad and becht, we also drafted 2 DEs (ellis and abraham) cause we had 4 1st round picks. and only ellis remained a jet. abraham was good though since it did net us mangold on top of giving us a few good years as a pass rusher. chad was bad luck. becht was terrible. Also the 2 DEs were drafted before we took an offensive player
