One of the reasons I'm not terribly concerned is 1. Darnold (who I think will be a star) and 2. If Gase craters year one and things go off the rails then this will be a one and done thing for him. He's got a ton of confidence, he made his powerplay...fine. Now do something with it. If it's some 3-13 to 6-10 disaster with no visible progress then I don't think Gase will be back for 2020-2021
I think the lion's share of that credit should go to Mangini and the scouts, not Tanny. Tanny was a bean counter and attorney. He didn't know squat about systems or how to evaluate players or find talent.
He was so good all they could get was a 6th. Says more about what the Jets thought about him. Maccagnan tried to dump him before he got fired but Gase first action as GM was getting rid of Lee. I'm sure Greg Williams was in on not having him anywhere on his defense. Plus Lee off the field issues probably factor in. Still glad he's gone you can justify it but in 3 years in the league he underperformed...bottom line.
antonio brown went for a 3rd and a 5th. guess he sucks too and is worse then cooper that went for a 1st rounder. we got marshall for a 5th, we got holmes for a 5th, the pats got moss for s 4th who then went and broke the TD record. It amazes me how people can spend so much time on a forum and still be clueless as to how the NFL works.
Yes, I agree that the draft sucked that year. But the draft is just ONE part of player development. How is that the Pats draft at the bottom of the draft every year and find contributors at those spots? I expect Lee to improve on the Chiefs because they have better coaches. I just have issues with Macc BPA approach. It boxes your team into crappy picks. Oh wow, the guy I wanted is gone ok let's just take another defensive player. In the entire time, Macc was GM there was no BPA available from the offensive side? That is why I'm glad he's gone cause addressing only one side of the team got us absolutely nowhere. Fuller would have been a huge upgrade over Lee and it was a position of need...imagine that. Just because the draft was lousy in talent there are things you can do. Trade out, trade down. If the value isn't there accumulate more picks. You know GM stuff.
Unlike Mac, competent GMs know about positional value. So guys playing more valuable positions are drafted higher. Which means when it's Mac's turn to pick the "BPA" is a defensive tackle, inside linebacker, etc.
So when do you replace positions of need? With that theory how do you pass on Mahomes and Watson in the first round? Both were there for the taking, both were a major need for this team. Can't get any more valuable than a guy that gets you into the endzone.
You adjust your scouting grades for need, positional value, scheme fit, etc. Which most GMs do but for some reason Mac never did. Given that, Jamal Adams had a very good chance of being an elite safety. Whereas Mahomes and Watson came with question marks. So since Adams had a higher scouting grade, Mac took him. Also Mac may have still thought Hackenberg was the future which is almost too stupid for me to type.
who have the pats drafted that is so great (outside of brady 20 years ago) you'd have to go back to 2012 as the last time they got a pro bowler in the 1st round. If you don't like BPA that's fine, there is no "right" way to draft. some believe in BPA some believe in filling needs. neither way has proven over time to be better. and your fuller argument would make more sense if we didn't get a better WR as an UDFA. maybe mac had robby targeted all along as a better then fuller and knew he didn't need a draft pick to get him?
Mahome had great numbers in college way better than Darnold so how could the most important position not be considered? Watson had just beat Alabama for the national championship. The Jets should have been drafting QB's every year because they had none since Chad and Vinny left.
Well said! And let me reiterate what you pointed out: Even if Lee WAS the BPA, Macc could have and SHOULD HAVE traded back to get more picks rather than settle on taking a guy who no one was that high on. It was a prime situation for trading down but Macc didn't. My guess is that he was too afraid to. And also to underscore your point - one I made often - Why was there NEVER a BPA on the "O" side? In fact, it almost seems that the definition of BPA is: The best defensive player available. Ridiculous!
Your question betrays your misunderstanding of how the draft (and all player acquisitions) are supposed to work. You acquire the players who have the best chance of helping you win. The Pats don't have to draft the "best" players, only the players who best fit their system. Is it any coincidence that since Macc had no system beyond BPA-D, that he didn't have success? That's why Macc was a failure and had to go. The Jets were never going to have a system to build upon with him.
Because Mac would rather have a safety he knew was going to be great than a quarterback who may or may not be great. And back in 2017, a lot of people were concerned about Mahomes's Air Raid offense and Watson being a system QB. Having said that, Mac's thinking was wrongheaded which is a big reason why he's now out of a job.
Say the 2 highest rated players on the board have grades of 90/100 which means the odds are they'll be Pro Bowlers at their positions. One plays offense and the other plays defense. Odds are much better the defensive player will be around when it's Mac's turn to pick. That's because the teams ahead of us will prioritize offense since offense is more important. Mac's other option is an offensive player with a grade of 85/100. But hey, BPA and we get yet another defensive player.
I don't care about Maccagnan so I'm not really defending him but you are throwing out a bunch of shit that you have no idea is true lol -maybe he does/did factor in positional value and just happened to think Mahomes/Watson were not good prospects either way? -If you remember correctly, the season before the defense got toasted on the back end. the safeties were letting up a lot of big plays. Maybe he did draft for need and put a high need on the position?? ------ I could be wrong ,so could you, but either way we are both just throwing shit out there. lastly, isn't the fact that he took Hackenberg in the 2nd round as you mention - a clear example that he didn't always draft the best player available?? he overdrafted Hack because of Hack's position - QB. If he had a strict BPA philosophy, he would've taken a guard or something with that 2nd round pick
Sounds like it’s going pretty bad for sure Beat writers have everyone twisted right now to sell clicks. On the field is all that really matters
I think the fact that I'm speculating goes without saying. That's what we all do. My basis for my theory is that Mac repeatedly emphasized taking the BPA, and most of the time he took guys at relatively unimportant positions. Lots of defensive linemen with premium picks, few offensive lineman and receivers. Also few pass rushers which are the most important defensive players. As for Hack, maybe for whatever reason Mac fell in love with him. Either that or Belichick zapped him with a mind control ray. I have no explanation honestly.
