When healthy Abraham was a monster on D, but injuries and the unwillingness to play when hurt show's you what you?re dealing with. If he didn?t get hurt on and off the entire time he was here he would have asked for insane money anyway. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Atlanta didn't get hosed. The deal never happens for #29 if he was tough and durable. They took a chance, and I think they are going to lose a little, but not big time on this. They won't win until they get a real QB... regardless of whoelse they get.
I completely and totally disagree with you. For their investment and what they gave up they absolutely did. He is not tough and durable. This is hindsight and there are no more ifs and buts.
They didn't give up terribly much... The contract they signed him for was a little high, but as is the norm for NFL contracts, the reported figure is much higher than the actual deal.
Atlanta got hosed, they got a 50% player for a 1st round pick, which is supposed to be a 100% player.
Thanks actually those were in his drinking days & I suspect it was the leftover from a partying nite out
Let's look at it from the Atlanta perspective. Abraham played in what, 6 games? With that draft pick, they could have gotten Kiwanuka as a DE for about 1/3 the money Abraham cost them. Or MLB (another need position they had) Demeco Ryans. how about Seattle DE Darryl Tapp. Or even other positions, like Mangold, or Joseph Addai. I'd say they got hosed.... raped would be my choice of words.
"Same here. Imagine if he had been on the field that day how much more pressure there would have been on Rothlisberger. We should have won it without him, just one more rushed pass could have sent us to the championship game." These two quotes illustrate a misconception. An injured player playing hurt does not help the team. Take a look at Dyson last week. He played hurt, with the sprained knee, gave up about 5 completions to Gafney on the Pats opening TD drive, and got a seat on the pine the rest of the game. Abraham would not have helped the Jets in that playoff game by playing hurt. He would have been ineffective and wasted a roster spot. Having said that, while I was opposed to the trade last year, I admit I was wrong. Not because of the Pittsburgh playoff game, but because Abraham just can't stay healthy and, as a result, is not worth the big contract he wanted. Abraham's loss still left a huge hole that has to be filled this year by the Jets - the Jets need a DE or LB who can rush the passer and make game-changing plays. Say what you will about Abraham, but when healthy he was a monster who sacked the QB and forced turnovers. I'd much rather have Mangold and the cap space, but one of the primary needs is an edge rusher who can put up double digit sacks. Thomas was a pleasant surprise this year, but is not dominant. Ellis has been extremely disappointing ever since he got his big payday and is not close to being an elite pass rusher and is not an impact player. __________________
If we were looking at this last year, before, or even after the draft, that would be the way one would have to evaluate this deal; but, the topic says to evaluate with hindsight, and that includes everything that's happened over the past year. It'd be like saying, evaluate the Herschel Walker trade, sure, Minnesota kind roughed up a bit as it is, but when you consider who they got with some of those picks, it becomes a certifiable hosing.
what kind of skewed poll is this? We got Nick Mangold, and the Falcons got a DE who was hurt for most of the year.
...not only did we get Mangold and lose JAbe and his broken vagina, the guy that replaced him, Bryan Thomas, ended up being better than anyone thought possible. Now, I'm not saying BT is the same pass rushing calibre player as Abe is/was, but he clearly held his own and ended up being a huge asset to the D. That's how I evaluated the trade and said Atlanta got hosed.
We didn't have a pass rusher WITH Abe. The only thing he rushed was the bench to protect his contract year.
When he's healthy he's one of the best pass rushers around. Unfortunatley those times seem to be few and far between for Abe. We got the anchor of our offesnive line for many years. I'll say that it was somewhat equal, but we got the better end of it.
I guess I didn't know what to expect, For me the real value here is the knowledge that our FO held out for the first round pick from Atlanta. And did not give in to their second round pick (take it or leave it offer). If we took the second rounder we would not have gotten Mangold.
